From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Handling mail Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:18:13 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <8ghb6l40lm.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> References: <19998.64601.266213.844826@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <87d3hbjveu.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310907148 8538 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2011 12:52:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:52:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 17 14:52:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiQpY-00065R-Sz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:52:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43364 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiQpY-0007Rj-0g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 08:52:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53871) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiPML-0006gP-9q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:18:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiPMJ-0008FQ-CG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:34371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiPMJ-0008FJ-1j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:18:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiPMG-0006jY-U8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:18:00 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:18:00 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:18:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1ePW9WpU9P2Vqqc4ZJNm54ZlpIQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:81627 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > On Thu, Jul 14 2011, Johan Vromans wrote: > >> After having used GNU/Emacs+VM for 20-odd years I wonder: is it still >> viable to use Emacs to handle modern mail? >> >> Most mail and mail-related packages (e.g. VM, BBDB, MailCrypt, WL) >> seem to be outdated and unmaintained for years. Many problems exist >> with multi-media mail, Unicode, and so on. >> >> Gnus seems to be the only package that is up-to-date (I use it for >> reading news and mailing lists), however I've never been able to live >> with it as a news reader. I'm very hooked to VM's virtual folders. >> My dearest wish is to continue using Emacs for mail but currently this >> feels like a dead end. >> >> What are your ideas and suggestions? >> >> -- Johan > > Try gnus, as others have said, and also BBDB is under fairly active > development -- version 3 is underway. Some people have virulent > reactions against it, but they must have some use-cases that I don't, > because I've found it to work very well. +1 on BBDB 3 - but do read the release notes and google. It will probably bomb out rapidly when you first try it but a google or two later and it'll work fine in most cases I suspect. I recall having to make some changes with alias handling and expanding for mail lists but that was about it (and this primarily because of function name changes).