From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8fd96a7a-bb77-4940-a3ff-d1fec018dd3d@default> References: <3ba077a2-21e0-9799-4f8b-c07bd1623853@yandex.ru> <6a4860bb-2b39-4da4-b2a7-7b8d15211fee@default> <22cc342e-17a3-83db-0600-4fc84fd0cbaa@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462375963 13232 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 15:32:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 15:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 17:32:30 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axymr-0000j6-WE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 17:32:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48611 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axymo-0000V4-4D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:32:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49888) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axymf-0000Il-It for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axymT-0003tM-RG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axymT-0003sG-OD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axymQ-0004k3-Cx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 15:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.146237590418196 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 15:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 15:31:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axym8-0004jP-1a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:31:44 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:37862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axym6-0004j5-Cy for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u44FVZJ2019367 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 May 2016 15:31:36 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u44FVYul029642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 May 2016 15:31:35 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u44FVW7H025201; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:31:33 GMT In-Reply-To: <22cc342e-17a3-83db-0600-4fc84fd0cbaa@yandex.ru> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117749 Archived-At: > > Users should not need to "avoid" using the default settings. >=20 > Yes, they should install 'grep' and 'find'. Why "should" they? Shouldn't users decide what users should do? > > The "new" is clearly not a sufficient replacement for the "old". > > It should have been (should be) added only as an opt-in option, > > not imposed as replacement. >=20 > It's a tradeoff. Let users discover the feature and choose the tradeoff they prefer. Give Emacs Dev and users time to come to a more informed judgment. That's been the approach for decades, and it's a wise one. What's the hurry to replace? > We, frankly, don't have the technical capability (code quality WRT > extensibility and manpower) to never remove features while continuing to > move forward. Sounds like a BS imperative, to me. As if this new feature were a must-have, and replacing the existing feature(s) were a must-do-immediately (e.g. a security hole). Better: "move forward" separately, with a library/feature that people can choose to adopt. If it's a better mousetrap then users will choose it - no problem. If you are confident in the new feature, that's the way to show it.