From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 18:24:35 +0000 Message-ID: <8ed9b43502d6243a31c0@heytings.org> References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> <7e12c1c3c15d0bc931e3@heytings.org> <87ft2541sr.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <8ed9b4350249f7d93b0f@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3401"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 19:26:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9XiF-0000mG-2P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:26:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50002 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9XiE-0007cJ-3G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:26:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Xgl-00074V-Iq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:24:39 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:43774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Xgj-0006jo-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:24:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612895075; bh=qraQyvRgDsK77pZ16vW9L0h12CLd2LHIaans6HKxhAI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=YkoWIrxT7uIsz4lm/BrzDdNQn8B0m+17xHVaowLbzVjsmNdOK4Z5Nq27zJvt0/t01 RxuYbZrpQOmlqH85/5eenudPBpS05yl6VfScU9/nHNKUuFOAOHCVdBa5yzYJIW/mcL OS6kdfmoJRuprTbYllLrtqOQpeCckfgukA2jm2aLP+sf6yuXgPc/PxNYtlG9aiemOf /BchjvRiwqlXz0YuhFnn/DXjZVMKHJVZtVqm/QDIQ7v7GhFh9/1EvIm6DzM6mpVYv0 ARZW5Z0kzeoncoUufhBABJvcRbZzqvfDjBzk2ALlDVub/lMjliYhT4jtHjkMWN3AN2 5IojRoEzzcwyQ== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264234 Archived-At: >>> C-\ is used to set the input method. But we could move that >>> functionality to C-^, and then give up C-\ to third party packages. >> >> Except that \ is hard to type on most keyboards: C and \ are the two >> most distant keys on the most widespread keyboard layout (QWERTY), and >> on other keyboards \ requires pressing Shift or AltGr. Not exactly an >> appealing prefix. > > The same could be said for C-o or M-o. And if you care about non-QWERTY > layouts, C-z on a German QWERTZ keyboard isn't much better. > At least these are letters, which do not require pressing Shift or AltGr anywhere. Nothing is perfect, it's a practical problem, and "o" and "z" are the only letters that have a non-zero chance to be repurposed. > > (Also I wonder, aren't Shift, Ctrl, and Alt keys meant to be used > crosswise, i.e., left key for the right half of the keyboard, and vice > versa? For example, how do you type C-b or C-t?) > That depends on your keyboard, not all keyboards have two Ctrl keys and two Meta/Alt keys. I remapped Caps Lock to Ctrl, and have my left pinkie almost always resting on it.