From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:13:19 +0000 Message-ID: <8ed9b435026237f603c2@heytings.org> References: <7e12c1c3c1aae58993e2@heytings.org> <87a6sd4q27.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20341"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 10:19:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9PAm-00059x-Bx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:19:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9PAl-0005cP-CY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38628) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9P5J-0000zD-Eb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:13:26 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:43116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9P5F-0004p4-Hb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:13:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612862000; bh=hUCtxE3OE78dd5Syblh+5t7D8CjX0WM3p++q1I1BSd8=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=DeDrpnYKXkwEsgWDTmCNAR4RtdEpBu2dZZ0OG6WtLjGePwxD4OzuHJFdGpSKqmyG2 L4REIFq12n+6csYqFLzq7n23l1qGsvjtZmfQXcniWPralGZIiuMF4197cu3xY7zG3d pwuNC6d22wdvFa3mk+8S6Dd9dF1r4ZMtg8VOL/0lX0nrDfXLEvWFaXOQjLeCi9mOi5 zefW/ngt+Ov/nRTXHqmTYpNkauCLcmchYMnKA6Jelgfiq7yiKmIpFa5DQbJDWPEQ9Y amZiJ0xA5+UV2ZVqnNWgqXTRaup7IPcFNOsKJBpsdkRf04M7rwvWaFLRyuNGF9+gna 5E3nntygKY2hg== In-Reply-To: <87a6sd4q27.fsf@mbork.pl> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127687 Archived-At: >> Option 2. C-z and M-z, with two exceptions: "C-z C-z" would be bound to >> "suspend-frame", and "M-z M-z" to "zap-to-char" > > This I find surprising. M-z is *extremely* useful, why would anyone > want to delegate it to two-key sequence like M-z M-z? > It's a proposal, meant to be discussed. Many said that they never use M-z. That's of course not enough to move it somewhere else, but it means that it could make sense. And if it's not a frequently used command, pressing three keys instead of two is not that difficult.