From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:15:45 -0800 Message-ID: <8e8c2568-5373-9735-a775-200d12e0bdb3@dancol.org> References: <87inaiss6l.fsf@web.de> <6FCF6ACA-4F29-4B6B-BE9D-D7130C6E9495@gnu.org> <87fu5moe4c.fsf@web.de> <877eqyocro.fsf@web.de> <83zi3uz4nb.fsf@gnu.org> <0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org> <8bc3c4c7-dfc7-987a-95e7-bd309e2326c6@cs.ucla.edu> <03118DC0-39DA-4AB5-980E-A33809B9A5EE@raeburn.org> <83sh9es8jw.fsf@gnu.org> <2cdaa88f-f31e-e05c-a940-d83e25c9c167@dancol.org> <919bf465a7eecad7669fa29762f5770b.squirrel@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520371675 30652 195.159.176.226 (6 Mar 2018 21:27:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 21:27:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, raeburn@raeburn.org, rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 06 22:27:51 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etK7W-00061U-UZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 22:27:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58329 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etK9Z-0002Ue-EW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:29:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etJwE-0007xB-D2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:16:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etJwD-0002Yg-Lq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:15:58 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:35120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etJw9-0002Uf-Ef; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:15:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject; bh=z/7guuCrPp5dWhj28QUC3yJ+sEBdMe80gguLyEcAr/s=; b=U+VCAzERZsHzh8ZiHieEqpeLhZnTmfoiuQH9G7pSxKzmO6fmakyK2h94tKTbhXhzqgdiZ2VydE8ZMWEvUhu23Y6h9wnOwaMjxmMVgHE7isYgxUYwuvTcP6SwZN6J5z+ArHIltznNsGpO84iVI6SEGeLMpdAhuiboFZyXnXTEM+IVTNVWBEbgR/op5/njn4JUzxv4Kkgev7/yfWNUDDUkFwXGc3quHf6DbJ/iVVN3vN3itjKc0OtUJLMgZ+vPmMI42WMbr0tZ81lqO5l1dY7MvfrVrYLOFTomy+W+PwfZE1i9hAhrUEqkOMRwRBCAWQWQ+lqzU+Ez5g7u9o88rQohlA==; Original-Received: from [172.92.145.124] (helo=[192.168.86.27]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etJw6-0004ta-Tp; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 13:15:50 -0800 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223383 Archived-At: On 03/06/2018 12:54 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > However, making progress on Emacs as a word processor is one of my > specific goals. This is what Emacs needs to do to be useful in all > the ways it should be useful. If you want to add word processing features to Emacs, I suggest implementing the necessary changes features yourself instead of suggesting that discussion of other priorities is somehow "interfering". Code wins arguments. `eval' tends not to work very well when you pass it a block of prose about how Emacs should be a word processor. > It will only take a few more features to make Emacs start to be useful > as a word processor. Once we can do proper formatting of paragraphs > with variable-width text, with a few kinds of alignment, and we can > save these in files, we will be able to use it for writing letters and > handouts, instead of LibreOffice. Sure. It'd be nice if Emacs were suitable for that task. I don't see the urgency, considering that plenty of equally free packages exist.