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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321157 Archived-At: On 02/07/2024 16:31, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> (setopt windmove-default-keybindings (list (kbd "C-x 4"))), >>> which would allow for the bindings to be disabled more easily. >> They're global keybindings. If you don't want these keys bound to these >> commands, bind them to something else. There's no case for "disabling" >> them. > Oh, there is! Some users will have C-x 4 LEFT, etc., bound buffer > locally to do other things. They will expect a beep and an error message > if they type it in a "wrong" buffer. That functionality would be lost. That's really the main argument against adding new bindings. But it's really an argument against adding any bindings to those sequences, at all, ever.