From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Last commit breaks macOS build Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:43:16 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <8cc0ec3d-81b0-df0a-f6a7-9e59d69c8190@cs.ucla.edu> References: <103c5ca4-dba4-9cf1-1c15-535684235be9@alice.it> <1f69c5da-eb8a-740e-873f-4809a04e2d77@alice.it> <8360lteb39.fsf@gnu.org> <51ffb0cd-ce29-e2ae-a1ee-2fc01c299710@alice.it> <831swhe8v7.fsf@gnu.org> <6d04ad51-6ecc-4a01-a8f1-53217f219e38@alice.it> <83zij5cs3d.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvf52wwh.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <83y3ypcql1.fsf@gnu.org> <87inpt2w9m.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <83wpe9cpyc.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg0h2vaa.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <83vattcn6m.fsf@gnu.org> <83showd43j.fsf@gnu.org> <72df92d3-af60-1005-fc5e-e039619e1f91@alice.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1483746244 2158 195.159.176.226 (6 Jan 2017 23:44:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:44:04 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 Cc: rcopley@gmail.com, schwab@linux-m68k.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Angelo Graziosi , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 00:43:58 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPeAu-0007qR-A8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 00:43:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPeAw-0007x4-Ri for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:43:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59068) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPeAO-0007ww-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:43:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPeAN-0000ZC-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:43:24 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:44420) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPeAK-0000U3-1A; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:43:20 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F6716004E; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:43:17 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id snTQwQ8TF8vY; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:43:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A909C16005D; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:43:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 4utTd5oxMRRc; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:43:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C92316004E; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:43:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <72df92d3-af60-1005-fc5e-e039619e1f91@alice.it> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211148 Archived-At: On 01/06/2017 03:33 PM, Angelo Graziosi wrote: > > Now, if I understand, 'nt' should refer to the build on MSW: Why, > then, the same message in the build on GNU/Linux and on macOS? Becuase nt/gnulib.mk is built by the developer with special tools like 'autoconf', not by the builder who merely starts with a tarball and runs 'configure; make' and should not need the special tools. The whole thing is a bit of a mess, and the mess is largely caused by Emacs using Automake, and Automake is needed only because of Gnulib (because Gnulib assumes Automake for portability to older systems lacking GNU Make). I'll look into fixing this so that Gnulib no longer assumes Automake, so that Emacs can stop relying on Automake. Since Emacs assumes GNU Make, it doesn't need Automake (except for the Gnulib code, which I think I can fix).