From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: OP mail delayed? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <8a8103a9-cfd6-4922-9919-8ad347ecc54b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213090946 12169 80.91.229.12 (10 Jun 2008 09:42:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:42:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 10 11:43:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K60Nf-0008Gk-TB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:43:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K60Ms-0008DG-GJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:42:18 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.67.23.108 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1213090607 32299 127.0.0.1 (10 Jun 2008 09:36:47 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=83.67.23.108; posting-account=pYxWjwkAAACsHSUNDoi5N05LVCTP7PVM User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:159308 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:54666 Archived-At: On Jun 9, 10:56 pm, "Drew Adams" wrote: > Hm. Maybe. But: > > . Others are seeing the same thing. > . This just started happening - it didn't happen before. I've been getting bounces from your address for about 2 months, but its still possible that oracle's spam filter was updated recently. The bounces I'm getting are based on an overly strict application of SPF records (treating soft failure as hard failure). I suspect these delays are due to graylisting (delaying mail by unknown senders in the hope that spamming software will not have proper error handling, and won't retry later). > . I don't see this in other GNU Emacs mailing lists. Perhaps the contributors on those lists are more regular than on this one. > What is the difference between a message with RE coming from the list and a > message without RE? Wouldn't they both be treated the same by a spam filter? Why > would the latter (the OP) be delayed more than the former? Maybe the OP is more likely to be a new poster (or at least one the spam filters haven't seen for a long time), and the replies are more likely to come from regular contributors who manage to stay in the spam filter's whitelist. Obviously the delays aren't happening for everyone, or there would be no replies, so it isn't the GNU servers that are delaying things.