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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290365 Archived-At: On 30.05.2022 00:34, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > There are some popular packages on GNU ELPA (and I expect NonGNU ELPA) > that are practically unmaintained. One example would be Yasnippet that > has been gathering issues and pull requests on GitHub, mostly without > any comments whatsoever. For example, see > https://github.com/joaotavora/yasnippet/issues. Does anyone know of any > other packages of this kind? Talking about yasnippet in particular, it more in the "stable" rather than "bitrotten" category, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Or definitely not resort to measures like removing the reference to the upstream. > I'd like to ask, if there some point at which should one should go from > regarding packages like these from "de facto unmaintained" to "actually > abandoned"? Perhaps if there was no real activity for over a year, > despite constant contributions? Would it make sense to call for anyone > new to take over maintaining the package? Or depending on how long the > package has been unmaintained, how popular the package is, how much > effort it would take to apply the changes one could modify the package > in elpa.git/nongnu.git and inform the maintainers that if they decide to > start working on the package again, that there are downstream changes > that they should look at. Personally, carrying over the development on ELPA would seem counter-productive. Both due to the reduced potential community of contributors and reporters, and because of the wealth of reports, discussions and docs that reside at the currently dormant upstream. Kinda passive-aggressive, too. I think the best step right now would be to try to contact Noah and ask to share commit access. And if not Noah, then Joao -- he's definitely still around.