From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10451: 24.0.92; Bad cross reference in Info manual Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:09:45 -0800 Message-ID: <8D2AE03A32444871A12AB1FEF6E31673@us.oracle.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1360357806 32315 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2013 21:10:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10451@debbugs.gnu.org To: , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 08 22:10:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vDA-0001KZ-RO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:10:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58497 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCr-0005mi-O5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:10:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48247) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCo-0005ld-Ch for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:09:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCm-0004th-Tb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:09:58 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCm-0004td-Py for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:09:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCr-0003Ea-JM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:10:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10451 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 10451-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10451.136035779912420 (code B ref 10451); Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10451) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2013 21:09:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCo-0003EF-Eo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:09:58 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51593) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3vCm-0003E8-GF for 10451@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:09:57 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r18L9oMC018521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:09:51 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r18L9nDT021392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:09:49 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r18L9n9X006231; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:09:49 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.230.71) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:09:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AczOVbmzEv5dPRfzQWGeTx4e+EWaW036h3aw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:70912 Archived-At: I've reopened this bug. It was closed with no explanation, and the bug is still there. This is about _Emacs_ users who are reading the Info manual, which is an introduction to using Info to read manuals. The text tries to teach you about links to other manuals, and tells you to follow the given cross-book link. That link is broken, because it links to a manual that is not even included with Emacs. We are sending readers down the garden path, confusing them and making them wonder whether they might be doing something wrong. Such instructions (essentially tutorial text) should just plain work. > people who will read Info within Emacs, and who will not > necessarily also have the Texinfo manual installed.