From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package initialization Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:25:02 -0700 Message-ID: <8CBE6AEF-13F8-4A45-9E4B-A7FCAFF39B19@gmail.com> References: <87twt1dmxu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21931.51113.826895.663216@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21932.20274.646021.600004@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437413125 29605 80.91.229.3 (20 Jul 2015 17:25:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Artur Malabarba , emacs-devel To: Helmut Eller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 20 19:25:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHEoW-0006cT-1p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:25:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56359 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHEoV-00067k-4s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:25:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHEoQ-00067c-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHEoN-0000a6-6V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:25:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e]:36468) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHEoM-0000UT-WA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: by pachj5 with SMTP id hj5so104488240pac.3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=v4n6yZNy75JuDBSa+Ibd+JQDUhosyWoVUKoOsmW2PY4=; b=QfY8FOWOH4aKxp2FEroWO5aCaUZPBmJ05kSF0wrt9jdPrG/ZiASr6C/HIPb/Cv43x+ tCtyiikwaT1RdSxmg8oXfjfFzdH7Vcrl6g7ywnrrvEao6HrQ2fli2ippz7YTYjxNwuEC W+aMfGGIMQMSGSPIDRWNaUAiX8HMfqaIQRdPrkg0dPHkl3jnjtwBj4+Q5qbizdVsK8Cr AORIfDJ/AGRPyr+mhviEBw+7pkXQJMbX9qDltyQoMRmt6k+7atJogw58BYt6XWBGYWcb Wxt7kXuHjlJ03jiGfYMbjbH8QU5hG9sZVTvGhU9LsfDIlsubB5ol+6Zezh7mQ5N8d3HD xcFQ== X-Received: by 10.70.45.6 with SMTP id i6mr35052264pdm.13.1437413105034; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.31] (75-165-108-206.tukw.qwest.net. [75.165.108.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ra10sm22954355pab.19.2015.07.20.10.25.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:25:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188016 Archived-At: I=E2=80=99m making a few guesses here, and I might be wrong, but I = believe it=20 might help resolve a difference in understanding. > On 20 Jul 2015, at 10:01, Helmut Eller wrote: >=20 > I have the impression that the left hand doesn't know what the right > hand wants. In the manual they say that it's ok to add things to > auto-mode-alist, but then Stefan says that packages should not be > enabled automatically. It seems like most of your objections stem from this, and it further seems like the difference in understanding stems from the difference between a _guideline_ concerning additions and a _rule_ concerning additions and replacements. For example, if I install a package that adds a markdown-mode, its probably ok to have it add markdown-mode for .md files to = auto-mode-list. If I install AUCTeX, its probably ok for the installation to set some variables so that M-x preview-latex works, but it probably = doesn=E2=80=99t want to override the bindings for .tex, .ltx, .sty, etc. It=E2=80=99s not clear to me if you=E2=80=99re aware of this difference = and unhappy about it, or unaware of this difference and unhappy about the results, or both. Hope that helps, ~Chad