From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Unuseful keybindings Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:04:41 -0800 Message-ID: <8C4D594ECB8843DEADEDCCA2970A63DA@us.oracle.com> References: <87sj73qzvl.fsf@gmail.com> <87623zquvw.fsf@gmail.com><87ip7zdud3.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehiiu5x7.fsf@gnu.org><876A7D1112084247AE53F7EE42B4587C@us.oracle.com><80ehih3hlj.fsf@somewhere.org> <87pq21iwrw.fsf@yandex.ru><87AE81CEB91846DB94BC5F3B40C788DE@us.oracle.com><50D64318.5030501@yandex.ru><0FBA2D9ECA214D82B5C65E5A09E7EE19@us.oracle.com><50D71824.90601@yandex.ru> <87zk14erzf.fsf@gmail.com><8BDC32F4508344789126C54D4A22C605@us.oracle.com><874njcwth9.fsf@gmail.com><2F9038F06F6B4465B50F3CD17D8FFD20@us.oracle.com> <87bodk7by3.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356296705 687 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2012 21:05:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Sebastien Vauban' , 'Dmitry Gutov' To: "'Jambunathan K'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 23 22:05:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TmsjW-00037l-Nb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:05:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57760 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmsjI-0003Xm-KO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:05:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43935) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmsjC-0003WS-VG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:05:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmsjB-00066E-Gz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:04:58 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:17169) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmsjB-000669-AV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:04:57 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBNL4rvJ019782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:04:54 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBNL4qlE004744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:04:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBNL4qhG022210; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:04:52 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:04:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87bodk7by3.fsf@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3hSy3A9ug8XMn7ScOwSNE/+WxD2AAA2/3A X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155830 Archived-At: > This is how I achieve maximized frame on startup. > > 1. Start Emacs > 2. Maximize the frame by hand. > 3. Save window configuration (or is it frame configuration?) to a > register. > 4. pp-eval the register. > 5. Identify the height and width of the maximized frame. > 6. Dump it in my .emacs. Why not just put `maximize-frame' in `emacs-startup-hook'? I don't know what the current frame-maximizing or full-screen support is for `emacs -Q'. And yes, I realize that a maximized frame is not the same as full-screen. But `maximize-frame' is available here, at least: overview: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FullScreen#frame-cmds.el code: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/download/frame-cmds.el > This method works flawlessly. Whatever. > That said, I will say vote for leaving F-Keys undefined and ubound, > say for F1. Good. Was that "same for F1"? "save (except) for F1"? Do you want to unbind `f1'? > I am surprised that people are not talking about F2. At least it is bound to a prefix key, not wasted on a single command that is not repeatable. There are 4 key bindings for that prefix key (but only 3 commands). But yes, I would probably rather see the two-column stuff moved to a harder-to-use prefix key. But I say that out of ignorance - I don't use it or know much about it, and because that prefix is used for only 3 commands.