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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>, Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: A modern-mode?
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:37:33 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <88e54a5b-9b48-449f-af1e-a524cc3ee185@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<E1kIPmO-0001u5-0m@fencepost.gnu.org>>

>    following recent discussions I've started toying with what I've pushed on
>    scratch/modern-mode.
> 
> What some find modern, some will find old.  What some find old, some
> will find modern.  What was once modern will become old again, and
> what was old again will become modern.

The term "modern" should definitely never be used
to name something in Emacs.  That just invites
mocking as anachronism.

Everything someone thinks is old-fashioned today
could have been, and some things were, labeled
"modern" at some point.

And in the world of marketing, that has often been
done in a way that associates the thing with, well,
just phony advertising.

"Modern" has a connotation of fad, hot, or fashion.
If you really want someone to think your thing is
new, hot, or fashionable, don't call it "modern".

> A different name would be more appropriate.

Yes, and a name that _actually_ describes the thing.

If you can't describe it in a way that gets your
point across, it might well be that you don't have
much of a point to get across.

If the most/best you can say about something is
that it is blue, then just say that.  Don't try to
embellish or sell it by calling it "modern".  That
just invites ridicule, and it doesn't help anyone.



       reply	other threads:[~2020-09-16 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<xjfmu1rrtks.fsf@sdf.org>
     [not found] ` <<E1kIPmO-0001u5-0m@fencepost.gnu.org>
2020-09-16 14:37   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-09-15 14:41 A modern-mode? Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 14:51 ` Ergus
2020-09-16  0:16   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15 15:26   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-15 16:34   ` Teemu Likonen
2020-09-15 18:36   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:08     ` Antoine Kalmbach
2020-09-16  4:15     ` Teemu Likonen
2020-09-16  7:52       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 15:13 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-15 16:31   ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-09-15 15:56 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:47 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]   ` <a4bc94ca-3130-463a-bd79-3dbffbbce492@default>
2020-09-15 17:11     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 17:32       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-15 17:35       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-15 18:47   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 20:48     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16  0:07       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16  8:58         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16  9:03           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16 10:39           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-16 10:47             ` João Távora
2020-09-16 12:20           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-16  5:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16  7:27   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16  7:36     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16  8:36       ` Alan Third
2020-09-16 14:37         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-16 15:00           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-16 15:22             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17  3:54         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-16 10:30       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-16 11:17         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16 14:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 14:46             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16 21:53               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16 15:18             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-16 15:33               ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16 15:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 15:54                 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16 16:08                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 16:17                     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16 16:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 16:32                       ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-16 16:45                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16 16:30                   ` Alan Third
2020-09-16 16:45                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16 22:11                     ` arthur miller
2020-09-16 21:54               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16 15:18             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16 15:27               ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16 16:45                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17  3:58                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-17  4:45                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17  9:54                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2020-09-18  4:09                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-16 16:45             ` tomas
2020-09-16 21:47               ` arthur miller
2020-09-16 18:19         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-16 18:45           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-16 18:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 20:02               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-16 21:36                 ` Alan Third
2020-09-17  0:11                   ` arthur miller
2020-09-17 19:17                     ` Alan Third
2020-09-17 19:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-17 19:54                         ` arthur miller
2020-09-18  4:50                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-17  3:18                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-16 21:48                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-17  3:53       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-16  8:15     ` Ergus
2020-09-16  7:33   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-16  8:55     ` tomas
2020-09-16  9:36   ` João Távora
2020-09-16  9:48     ` tomas
2020-09-16  9:54       ` João Távora
2020-09-16 10:20         ` tomas
2020-09-16 10:30           ` João Távora
2020-09-16 10:53             ` tomas
2020-09-16 11:09               ` João Távora
2020-09-16 12:40             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-16 13:04               ` João Távora
2020-09-16 14:10                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-16 15:26                   ` João Távora
2020-09-16 15:43                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-16 15:45                       ` João Távora
2020-09-16 14:20                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-16 16:42               ` tomas
2020-09-16 21:46                 ` arthur miller
2020-09-17 19:28                   ` Alan Third
2020-09-17 19:47                     ` arthur miller
2020-09-16 12:32       ` Arthur Miller

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