From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs usability (was: Can anybody tell me how to send HTML-format mail in gnus) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <88d93b45-3a97-4f46-bbfd-a4546b6c9359@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> References: <8663qcd7h3.fsf@timbral.net> <63cf9893-7704-4ceb-a1a0-7a549d57d05f@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <86ej4zedwf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0a21d521-cbba-4dba-8792-89a042e2b1a3@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <86od43cox6.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0627b0d2-a959-4fe4-a868-f03e72aaafba@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <86ljz38uye.fsf@lifelogs.com> <48A05F81.70601@gmail.com> <868wv36zi5.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218555873 1480 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2008 15:44:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:44:33 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 17:45:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KSw3b-00059m-NQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:45:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51667 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSw2f-00061N-Df for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:44:13 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!1g2000pre.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1218552904 25750 127.0.0.1 (12 Aug 2008 14:55:04 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 1g2000pre.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:161168 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56513 Archived-At: On Aug 12, 12:37 am, Xah wrote: > For example, renowned computer scientist Edsger has this to say: > > ... what society overwhelmingly asks for is snake oil. Of course, the > snake oil has the most impressive names =E2=80=94otherwise you would be > selling nothing=E2=80=94 like =E2=80=9CStructured Analysis and Design=E2= =80=9D, =E2=80=9CSoftware > Engineering=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CMaturity Models=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CManagem= ent Information Systems=E2=80=9D, > =E2=80=9CIntegrated Project Support Environments=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CObject= Orientation=E2=80=9D and > =E2=80=9CBusiness Process Re-engineering=E2=80=9D (the latter three being= known as > IPSE, OO and BPR, respectively).=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Edsger W Dijkstra=E2= =86=97 (1930-2002), in > EWD 1175: The strengths of the academic enterprise=E2=86=97. Actually, the quote i meant to quote is this one: =E2=80=9CThe required techniques of effective reasoning are pretty formal, = but as long as programming is done by people that don't master them, the software crisis will remain with us and will be considered an incurable disease. And you know what incurable diseases do: they invite the quacks and charlatans in, who in this case take the form of Software Engineering gurus.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94attributed to Edsger Dijkstra= 1930-2002. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84