From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francesco Potorti` Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: 18 May 2002 02:44:46 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021682709 24561 127.0.0.1 (18 May 2002 00:45:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 00:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 178sLN-0006O2-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:45:09 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 178sY6-0000WK-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:58:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178sLS-0005oB-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:45:14 -0400 Original-Received: from pot.cnuce.cnr.it ([146.48.83.182]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178sL9-0005lS-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:44:55 -0400 Original-Received: from pot by pot.cnuce.cnr.it with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 178sL1-0007aJ-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:44:47 +0200 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> Original-Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4075 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4075 What I think we don't need is to explain, demonstrate, and drill the user in basic cursor motion. Drilling them is what teaches them to use C-f rather than an arrow key. So maybe it is still worth while to drill them. I think that using C-f instead of the arrow key is very advanced usage. It is only useful for very fast typists or people that routinely use all sort of keyboards and setups, so they cannot rely on arrows. In my opinion, C-f and friends should not even be mentioned in the tutorial. I agree that motion commands should be just mentioned in one or two lines of explanation. - Options menu and Customize - Frames - Region and the mark - Command history in the minibuffer - M-x compile and M-x grep Certainly the region is the most important. Next comes the customization. That one is very important for new users. Maybe frames could be mentioned, but I think that command history and compile should not.