From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: guided tour suggestions Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:41:27 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87zm2isr88.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87645ai4cl.fsf@phil.mit.edu> <85d4zi6jdo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874pksef39.fsf@phil.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1183135974 5184 80.91.229.12 (29 Jun 2007 16:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phil Sung Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 29 18:52:53 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I4JiG-0004Do-3j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:52:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4JiF-0005Qi-3g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:52:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Jgj-0003jk-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Jgh-0003iF-IJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Jgh-0003iB-Ff for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I4Jgg-0007Pz-Q2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I4Jga-000Dfl-KV; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:51:09 +0300 In-Reply-To: <874pksef39.fsf@phil.mit.edu> (Phil Sung's message of "Thu\, 28 Jun 2007 03\:02\:50 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: c2436a487120708c9e0f2b31fdd4cc45 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1187 [June 28 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 0 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:74037 Archived-At: >> The guided tour ... shows an Emacs a) compiled without a modern toolkit >> (Gtk+, Windows or Mac) b) without menus c) without toolbars d) without >> scrollbars (for heaven's sake!) e) without font diversity. The only thing >> hinting at fonts is a man-page f) without file dialogs g) without tooltips h) >> without any non-ASCII character > > When I get a chance, I will make some screenshots with the default UI setup, > and with more complex formatting/characters. I think you don't need to redo your existing screenshots that demonstrate some particular Emacs features, because visual sugar (menus, toolbars and scrollbars) are irrelevant for these features. What you need is an additional screenshot where Emacs GTK is started with `-q' and without `-Q' because it would be a good idea to make the screenshot from the splash screen where menus, toolbars and scrollbars are still visible. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/