From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pascal Bourguignon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:31:27 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87zm1k8y1s.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <7056BAE9-002B-46B7-A60A-9EDE375392EE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469A@Web.DE> <873aze3qtf.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <87y7h53mjp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <87d4yhbxiw.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> <0D3378B6-0047-4E19-9F34-1047AED11F0A@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <87bqe0ah96.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185367305 11603 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2007 12:41:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:41:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 25 14:41:43 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDgBQ-0004Gz-NC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDgBQ-0007P9-7D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:41:40 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Trace: individual.net BCmel7qqu5VR6ABZXYaO/AgcI81WMXcx74ePk8QJacfb/68djX Cancel-Lock: sha1:kvuJLGeF8hCq0SgVXVgEuUIWQ/0= sha1:noNMebIWTbUDwOQ4Vuely218BvQ= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150464 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46044 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > On 25 juil. 07, at 19:51, Pascal Bourguignon wrote: > >> Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >>> ps: did it ever occur to you that some massively succesful >>> programming languages originated from non-English cultural/linguistic >>> environments ? > >> A lot of programming languages originated from non-English cultural or >> linguistic environment (eg, Pascal, Modula-2, Oberon, etc), but they >> ALL were designed in English. > > Which is totally unrelated to the discussion. When Matsumoto wrote > his first books on ruby, even if the reserved words were in "English" > the explanations had to be translated from Japanese. To be > "localized" to English. Well, AFAIK, the firsts versions of the Pascal Report and possibly the following language were written in Swiss German and later translated to English, for publication. What do you think would be the status of ruby in the world today if this first ruby book hadn't been translated to English? Wouldn't it have been easier to directly write it in English? -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/