From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:02 +0900 Message-ID: <87zltvuy7d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203551904 24003 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 23:58:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, Stefan Monnier , storm@cua.dk, acm@muc.de, Miles Bader To: Sascha Wilde Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 00:58:46 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRypn-0000qI-M7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:58:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRypI-0003uV-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:58:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwAh-0001i3-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwAg-0001fH-8i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:08:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwAg-0001eu-3u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:08:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRwAW-0003pO-Cz; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:07:56 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2EF7FFA; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:07:52 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5341A1A29E5; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:03 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 42711a251efd XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:48 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89749 Archived-At: Sascha Wilde writes: > One important reason against it is, that it makes uses of the mark > ring other than marking text very unpleasant. [...] In such cases > the highlighting of text between point and the last mark is > distracting and useless. True. However, I've found that zmacs-regions (the XEmacs equivalent of tmm) cooperates very well with two other features, namely pending-delete mode (ie, the active region is deleted when you type into it) and navigation by isearch (which sets the mark but does not activate the region). I'm willing to put up with this annoyance for that reason. A similar use occurs with M-> and M-< (mark is set but region is not active). I wonder if it might be worthwhile to have "big jump" motion deactivate the region. I rare do things like C-SPC C-n unless I'm marking text to operate on, and then I want (unobtrusive :-) highlighting, while the highlighting is annoying in the case of C-SPC C-v much of the time. > typing C-SPC C-SPC is still possible and easy. YMMV but I don't find C-SPC C-g that bad.