From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:45:27 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87zltujk8n.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85ablvftqe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <8e24944a0802201130y1601cd6dvf22a8089e2de97f7@mail.gmail.com> <858x1fe6fc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <8e24944a0802201241o4a2a70d0xb823b3fa27692bfd@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203650004 13326 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2008 03:13:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, wilde@sha-bang.de, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, storm@cua.dk, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: "David De La Harpe Golden" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 04:13:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSOM5-0002vJ-QP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSOLa-00020R-Hg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:13:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSFX5-0007J5-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:48:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSFX3-0007Hw-Sh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:48:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSFX3-0007Hn-O0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:48:29 -0500 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSFWr-0005rg-2q; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:48:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JSFWk-000EHG-PA; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:48:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8e24944a0802201241o4a2a70d0xb823b3fa27692bfd@mail.gmail.com> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:41:29 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 0a21689c2f1d2e94d8aa83f1a1b60733 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2278 [Feb 21 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:07:01 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89921 Archived-At: >> > I use tmm and sometimes push marks just for navigation, but I then >> > just hit C-g to get immediately rid of the activation (when I bother >> > at all) after a C-SPC - the mark is still pushed. C-SPC C-g is only >> > slightly more awkward than C-SPC C-SPC. >> >> From the number of keystrokes. But between C-SPC and C-g I get annoyed, >> and that takes longer to wear off. And if you happened to have a slow X >> connection, the cost of the entire screen flashing the mark-active face >> in your face might also cause an interruption of work. > > I don't see why that should happen prescisely. C-SPC directly > followed by C-g shouldn't cause any highlighting, the point wouldn't > move. More annoying might be the bell or visual-bell C-g might cause, > though that is of course customisable. Deactivating the region without the bell is possible with keyboard-escape-quit. But even this is not necessary: cua-selection-mode uses C-SPC C-SPC to set the mark without activating the region (more precisely the second C-SPC cancels the region activation). This is another reason to enable cua-selection-mode by default because this will help people who use the mark for navigational purposes. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/