From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: faces and face variables Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:02:20 +0900 Message-ID: <87zlmamzj7.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <200809090636.m896acaT011007@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18630.36126.116571.102340@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809091834.m89IYJrt004178@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18630.52279.410707.428217@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809100554.m8A5sbLU020022@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18634.41341.360898.898779@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809121750.m8CHoXar025729@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18634.45534.791696.614584@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809130953.m8D9rEZC011379@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18635.58437.271555.722429@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <18636.5124.611868.27794@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <002c01c915f2$18dc9cf0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221411661 5869 80.91.229.12 (14 Sep 2008 17:01:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Glenn Morris' , 'Dan Nicolaescu' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Roland Winkler' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 14 19:01:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Keuyx-0004nk-Gu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:01:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46032 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Keuxw-0008D5-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:00:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Keuxr-0008CQ-VC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:00:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Keuxq-0008C9-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:00:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58054 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Keuxq-0008C6-JL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:00:46 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:51217) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Keuxf-0003AE-JQ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.109.226.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.109.226] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1Keuxa-0007Bx-UM; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:00:30 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0EDBBDFB5; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:02:20 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <002c01c915f2$18dc9cf0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:43:09 -0700") Original-Lines: 17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103879 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > But I don't agree that face variables are or should be "deprecated" or that all > uses of face variables are necessarily "fossils". 99% of "face variables" in existing code are not used the way you described, but instead are pointless frippery. As richard said, there can be cases where a variable referring to a face is called for -- but there are almost _always_ considered exceptions to any given rule; that does not make the rule wrong for the general case. -Miles -- Dictionary, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work.