* bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
@ 2009-06-02 14:35 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-06-03 0:42 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-06-13 20:40 ` bug#3450: marked as done (23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi") Emacs bug Tracking System
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From: Teemu Likonen @ 2009-06-02 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-pretest-bug
Here's a minor but easily fixable bug in HELLO file (C-h h). In the file
Finnish name for our language is written in capital letters but it
should be in small letters. Capital "Suomi" means our country; "suomi is
the language. I'd also write "hyvää" in small letters because it doesn't
begin a new sentence. So this would be the correct version:
Finnish (suomi) Hei, hyvää päivää
^ ^
Yes, I'm a Finnish teacher. :-)
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* bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
2009-06-02 14:35 ` bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi" Teemu Likonen
@ 2009-06-03 0:42 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-06-03 4:49 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-06-13 20:40 ` bug#3450: marked as done (23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi") Emacs bug Tracking System
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From: Kenichi Handa @ 2009-06-03 0:42 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Teemu Likonen, 3450
In article <87skiipuu0.fsf@iki.fi>, Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> writes:
> Here's a minor but easily fixable bug in HELLO file (C-h h). In the file
> Finnish name for our language is written in capital letters but it
> should be in small letters. Capital "Suomi" means our country; "suomi is
> the language. I'd also write "hyvää" in small letters because it doesn't
> begin a new sentence. So this would be the correct version:
> Finnish (suomi) Hei, hyvää päivää
> ^ ^
Thank you. We'll fix "suomi". But for "hyvää", I'm not
sure. That part is not a normal setence but is a listing of
words saying hello, and "," is just a separator of each
independent item. If that file is written in <TABLE> of
HTML, perhaps we'll format it as this:
<TR><TD>Finnish</TD><TD>suomi</TD><TD>Hei</TD><TD>Hyvää päivää</TD></TR>
Should we downcase "Hyvää" in that case?
---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org
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* bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
2009-06-03 0:42 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2009-06-03 4:49 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-06-08 12:18 ` Kenichi Handa
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From: Teemu Likonen @ 2009-06-03 4:49 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Kenichi Handa; +Cc: 3450
On 2009-06-03 09:42 (+0900), Kenichi Handa wrote:
> Thank you. We'll fix "suomi". But for "hyvää", I'm not sure. That part
> is not a normal setence but is a listing of words saying hello, and
> "," is just a separator of each independent item.
With a comma (,) the most obvious Finnish interpretation is that they
belong to the same sentence. Comma is just a natural Finnish separator
for the greeting ("Hei") and other syntactic content. I understand that
one could say that the HELLO file does not list sentences in different
languages and that the comma is meant to be higher-level separator of
items. But does this meaning reach a human reader? I'd say "no" because
there is already a higher-level separator in each line, namely the tab
cells with the width of 32 characters.
This issue is not something I'd go fighting for too seriously. I'll just
say that I think most Finnish people see that line as a single sentence.
> If that file is written in <TABLE> of HTML, perhaps we'll format it as
> this:
>
> <TR><TD>Finnish</TD><TD>suomi</TD><TD>Hei</TD><TD>Hyvää päivää</TD></TR>
>
> Should we downcase "Hyvää" in that case?
In such context it's quite free. You could write them all small letters
or capitalize only the first letter of item in a table cell, like:
Finnish suomi hei hyvää päivää
or
Finnish suomi Hei Hyvää päivää
Just choose the one that fits to the general picture. :-)
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* bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
2009-06-03 4:49 ` Teemu Likonen
@ 2009-06-08 12:18 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-06-08 15:50 ` Teemu Likonen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Kenichi Handa @ 2009-06-08 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Teemu Likonen; +Cc: 3450
In article <874oux2a6x.fsf@iki.fi>, Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> writes:
> > If that file is written in <TABLE> of HTML, perhaps we'll format it as
> > this:
> >
> > <TR><TD>Finnish</TD><TD>suomi</TD><TD>Hei</TD><TD>Hyvää päivää</TD></TR>
> >
> > Should we downcase "Hyvää" in that case?
> In such context it's quite free. You could write them all small letters
> or capitalize only the first letter of item in a table cell, like:
> Finnish suomi hei hyvää päivää
> or
> Finnish suomi Hei Hyvää päivää
How about modifying the line as this:
Finnish (suomi) Hei / Hyvää päivää
Then, it is clear that each of "Hei" and "Hyvää päivää" is
an independent item, isn't it? I think the other lines
should take this format too.
---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org
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* bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
2009-06-08 12:18 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2009-06-08 15:50 ` Teemu Likonen
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From: Teemu Likonen @ 2009-06-08 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Kenichi Handa; +Cc: 3450
On 2009-06-08 21:18 (+0900), Kenichi Handa wrote:
> How about modifying the line as this:
>
> Finnish (suomi) Hei / Hyvää päivää
>
> Then, it is clear that each of "Hei" and "Hyvää päivää" is
> an independent item, isn't it? I think the other lines
> should take this format too.
I'm fine with that.
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* bug#3450: marked as done (23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi")
2009-06-02 14:35 ` bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi" Teemu Likonen
2009-06-03 0:42 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2009-06-13 20:40 ` Emacs bug Tracking System
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From: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>
To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
Subject: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:35:19 +0300
Message-ID: <87skiipuu0.fsf@iki.fi>
Here's a minor but easily fixable bug in HELLO file (C-h h). In the file
Finnish name for our language is written in capital letters but it
should be in small letters. Capital "Suomi" means our country; "suomi is
the language. I'd also write "hyvää" in small letters because it doesn't
begin a new sentence. So this would be the correct version:
Finnish (suomi) Hei, hyvää päivää
^ ^
Yes, I'm a Finnish teacher. :-)
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From: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>
To: 3450-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: Re: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi"
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:33:18 +0300
Message-ID: <87k53fri0h.fsf@iki.fi>
On 2009-06-02 17:35 (+0300), Teemu Likonen wrote:
> Here's a minor but easily fixable bug in HELLO file (C-h h). In the
> file Finnish name for our language is written in capital letters but
> it should be in small letters. Capital "Suomi" means our country;
> "suomi is the language.
This is fixed now in CVS. I'll close.
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