From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:25:48 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87zkxtca8j.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <838w5dgln1.fsf@gnu.org> <837hkxgj4m.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279189820 11625 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2010 10:30:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:30:20 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 12:30:19 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZLhq-0006Sx-Jd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:30:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50886 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZLhp-000642-SM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54080 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZLhf-00063U-Gd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZLhe-0002qP-05 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:37752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZLhd-0002q7-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZLhc-0006LP-Bz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:30:04 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ecc7c.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.204.124]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:30:04 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ecc7c.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:30:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ecc7c.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7M39f8QYT7QJeA24qR3B+XnzAAg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127347 Archived-At: Tom writes: > Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> writes: >> >> Well, Notepad has all the familiar UI you are talking about, but >> somehow it doesn't attract "more hackers". I guess your logic lacks >> something important. >> > > Have you seen the image of the learning curve of editors? > > http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060302.html > > > Notepad has a limited feature set which obviously doesn't inspire its > users. > > On the other hand Emacs has much more depth than that. The goal is to make > emacs easier to use for the newcomer, so he stays for a while and has a > chance to discover emacs is a beautiful swan in the disguise of an ugly > duckling. :) So why disguise is as an ugly duckling in the first place? -- David Kastrup