From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:56:05 +0800 Message-ID: <87zkhufvai.fsf@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316836601 27483 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2011 03:56:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 24 05:56:37 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JLw-0005al-FE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:56:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35814 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JLv-0007fy-RM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:56:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:32975) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JLt-0007fp-0g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JLr-000831-Vr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JLr-00082x-UG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JML-0001vQ-GM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.13168366117385 (code B ref 9571); Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2011 03:56:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JMB-0001v3-7I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7JM9-0001uw-8F for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so2945290yic.3 for <9571@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=4a8DkiP9aJrFO1TriUxXhqOTLgZo5dZCKZ9w7MHwFtg=; b=NO9J8Wa1YkV/utc9+zFMqa0hl9q+oYKYaokZkmsrLtbZbjn+u1OYB0MOKg+prt7ZXF FlHY52uSK74RjoNG37KCrbHD0GWiJJIX8gUis/Y2/FD8JPZ2WSiquOQmHMcHx6T2UF7n VM7btNDL/34zAG6K5nMuDJf+4iRF+h9Xf7Gj4= Original-Received: by 10.236.155.6 with SMTP id i6mr26254208yhk.41.1316836579105; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([180.75.159.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y79sm19298684yhg.23.2011.09.23.20.56.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from wanchan (wanchan [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3291A3D6; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:56:05 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:31:33 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:57:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51758 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > "Figure out what's really present" is sufficiently vague that I don't > know what is the right way to address this need. find-file-literally is > at least as likely to be effective, and in many more cases. > > find-file-literally disables character set decoding. That means you'd > have to manually figure out how the bytes correspond to the characters > of the file, or else give a command to decode it. > > If the confusion has to do with bidi, the feature you want for > understanding it is to turn off bidi and nothing else. It has to be > easy to do, so why NOT do it? If you can read the relevant scripts, then bidi is not going to confuse you. If you cannot read the scripts, then turning off bidi is not really going to help (probably find-file-literally would be a better option in this case).