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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
Cc: "David De La Harpe Golden" <david@harpegolden.net>,
	Lluís <xscript@gmx.net>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Juri Linkov" <juri@jurta.org>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"Alan Mackenzie" <acm@muc.de>,
	"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: C-x 2 and C-x 3
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:31:58 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkgl31ip.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnXXogN=ov6XAExc7Pc7hDkHOwNmQAnKRr8Ngf7iDUcaeHT2g@mail.gmail.com>

John Yates writes:

 > Does anyone else find the term 'split' jarring?

No.

 > Many GUI apps have 'splitters' (e.g. Excel).  If Emacs' primitives
 > really did perform a classic split then the resulting windows would
 > show more or less the contents that was on the screen prior to
 > performing the split.

This might indeed be preferable.

 > But that is not what happens.  Emacs' splits really duplicate
 > windows.

No, they don't.  Both new windows are different from the original in
an important way: they're smaller.  They happen to start out
displaying the same content (but once again, the content displayed is
different from the original window's in almost all cases -- which you
can extend to all cases if you're a Pythonista and like significant
whitespace).

And this artifact is useless, as Alan Mackenzie points out.
Similarly, a spreadsheet split is useless until you scroll it, at
which point it is no longer a split of the original content.  The
point is the division of a rectangular framing element into two
adjoined rectangular framing elements.  If that's not a split, you owe
me my banana back.

I really don't get this focus on an implementation detail of the
displayed content of the window, a detail that is almost invariably
voided instantaneously.



  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-28  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-26  2:30 C-x 2 and C-x 3 Chong Yidong
2011-10-26  3:38 ` Evil Boris
2011-10-26  4:35 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-26  5:38   ` Tim Cross
2011-10-26 11:47     ` Deniz Dogan
2011-10-26 16:33       ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-26 19:19     ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-26 19:40       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-10-27  5:27         ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-26 12:13   ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-26 12:20     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-26 13:38       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-10-26 13:43         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-26 14:19           ` Deniz Dogan
2011-10-26 15:25           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-10-27  6:36           ` Juri Linkov
2011-10-26 14:58         ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 15:09           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-26 15:20             ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 15:56           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-10-26 15:28     ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-26  8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-26  8:41 ` Ulrich Mueller
2011-10-26  9:43   ` martin rudalics
2011-10-26 12:20     ` Nix
2011-10-27 16:13       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-26 21:47     ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-26  9:22 ` martin rudalics
2011-10-29  1:04   ` Johan Bockgård
2011-10-29  1:06   ` Johan Bockgård
2011-10-29  1:10   ` Johan Bockgård
2011-10-29  8:16     ` martin rudalics
2011-10-29  9:50       ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-29 10:27         ` martin rudalics
2011-10-29 16:20           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-29 14:49       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-29 23:56     ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-30  8:34       ` martin rudalics
2011-10-30 17:18         ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-29 16:18   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-26 10:20 ` anerbenartzi
2011-10-26 10:36 ` anerbenartzi
2011-10-26 10:59   ` martin rudalics
2011-10-26 11:15 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-10-26 14:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-26 14:32     ` Lluís
2011-10-27  6:33       ` Juri Linkov
2011-10-27 11:08         ` Lluís
2011-10-27 14:04         ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 14:16           ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-27 15:25             ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 15:30             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27 15:38               ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 16:04                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-27 16:41                   ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-27 16:44                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-27 17:09                       ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-27 20:24                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-10-28  0:14                     ` John Yates
2011-10-28  9:31                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2011-10-29  1:00             ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-28  6:32           ` Juri Linkov
2011-10-28 15:03     ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-29  0:56       ` Tim Cross
2011-10-26 15:36 ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-26 18:15   ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-26 18:42     ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-27  6:39   ` Juri Linkov
2011-10-27  9:49   ` martin rudalics
2011-10-27 12:30     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-27 12:31       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-10-27 13:22       ` martin rudalics
2011-10-27 13:39       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-28  6:34 ` What is ISO? (was: C-x 2 and C-x 3) Juri Linkov
2011-10-28 17:16   ` What is ISO? martin rudalics
2011-10-29  3:57     ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-29  8:17       ` martin rudalics
2011-10-29  8:59         ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-29 10:29           ` martin rudalics
2011-10-30  1:00             ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-30  8:34               ` martin rudalics
2011-10-29  7:30     ` Andreas Röhler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-26 17:01 C-x 2 and C-x 3 grischka
2011-10-26 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii

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