From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Emacs 24.0.93 Pretest Windows Binaries published Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:03:29 +0900 Message-ID: <87zkd0z11q.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4F25FA2F.2010401@gmail.com> <8362fofi8h.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328263453 11406 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2012 10:04:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Richard M. Heiberger" , cschol2112@googlemail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 03 11:04:08 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RtFzz-000355-N6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:04:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34078 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtFzy-00062A-SE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:04:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58335) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtFzr-00060r-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtFzn-0001JF-Dw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:03:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:41981) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtFzg-00018N-1x; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:03:48 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5514997075D; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 19:03:34 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4CD591A282A; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 19:03:29 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8362fofi8h.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" e6b5c49f9e13 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148142 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > You are right: this is a false alarm. Let Symantec people know about > it, and ask them to get their act together. That's hopeless, especially since we're now up to about 3 maybe 4 such false alarms (ie, from different Wolf-Crying Peter companies). (1) They'll say "better safe than sorry," and guess what? they're right! (as far as that goes, see (2)). (2) It's impossible for anybody but Microsoft to truly get the act together, because the 3rd party virus checkers have to look for "signatures" in the content. This is so that software whose whole selling point is "you don't need to know squat to use this because it's all automatic" can continue to oh-so-conveniently automatically run pretty much anything you download off the InterSewer. False positives are pretty much inevitable with this technology. And they're only going to only become more common, since viruses are proliferating at the rate of what, about 1000 new variants a day? I think you're just going to have to grin and bear this, because the only alternative that's acceptable to the vast majority of Windows customers is not safe 'nets, it's what Richard likes to call "treacherous computing". Let's pray that that does not become The Final Solution. But maybe Ted Z and GnuTLS can save the day. GnuTLS is universally applicable security for the network I hear! ;-)