From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:30:28 +0900 Message-ID: <87zk9aqfxn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> <87vck8sfyv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85obq05aua.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <87r4uvs4ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87397b15u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5p2nhc3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87k40lsfuv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k40ljtay.fsf@gmx.com> <87fwb8sdeh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877gwkzcsm.fsf@gmail.com> <878vh0rz75.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wr4km9fa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1337052652 30545 80.91.229.3 (15 May 2012 03:30:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 03:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Yann Hodique , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 15 05:30:51 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SU8TK-0000dy-Ku for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 May 2012 05:30:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50596 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SU8TJ-0004bQ-Rg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:30:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55861) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SU8TH-0004bL-Cp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SU8TF-0006ZO-L8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:30:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:34876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SU8TF-0006Xn-7z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:30:45 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE273FA0840; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:30:29 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 06DBD1A4F12; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:30:28 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87wr4km9fa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" 5d3bb1100832 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150485 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > That doesn't make any sense at all.... Gmail doesn't "go out of it's > way to suck in our community" any more than any other popular mail > client does; AFAICT, its main sin is that they too readily follow bad > examples set by _other_ popular mail MUAs... OK, I'll concede that. Nevertheless, it does suck in our community, on *both* ends. It encourages posting practices poorly adapted to technical discussion, and it sucks as a list-traffic reader. (I know, because for several weeks it was my list-traffic reader.) > just by gmail. So while I think it's silly to ignore gmail, because > it's vastly more popular than Gnus, if you still want to for whatever > reason, it _still_ seems a bad idea to ignore the general class of > mail clients it represents.... In general, yes. On emacs-devel (and other technically-oriented lists I frequent), I would say the balance between pointless annoyance and the irritability that proves you're alive (and induces you to make a change for the better) is a net zero. Using the standard as intended and thus setting a good example tips the balance *for me*. IMHO YMMV FWIW and all those other good 4-letter acronyms.