From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: M-= Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:57:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87zk6lw8tb.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> References: <20494.21864.117259.772610@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <87obn13l3e.fsf@gnu.org> <20498.29864.4168.252416@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343401077 28990 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2012 14:57:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 27 16:57:56 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SulzI-0001Bh-4I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:57:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43875 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SulzH-00053Q-If for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SulzA-00053K-1K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:57:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sulz6-0004qd-2n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:57:47 -0400 Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.64.15]:52755) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sulz1-0004ni-FJ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:57:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D42D222D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:57:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at uni-koblenz.de Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deliver.uni-koblenz.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YwXfVhJyavdj; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:57:37 +0200 (CEST) X-CHKRCPT: Envelopesender noch tsdh@gnu.org Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (tsdh.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.67.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE93BD222A; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:57:37 +0200 (CEST) Mail-Followup-To: Ulrich Mueller , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20498.29864.4168.252416@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> (Ulrich Mueller's message of "Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:59:52 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 141.26.64.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151920 Archived-At: Ulrich Mueller writes: > I certainly use M-= on the region much more often than on the whole > buffer. With transient-mark-mode switched off, I now find it rather > painful. Especially combinations like M-h M-= (i.e., mark-paragraph > followed by count-words-region) no longer work. You could do C-SPC C-SPC M-h M-= to enable ttm just for that command. In general, I really like that some commands act differently (very conveniently IMHO) in transient-mark-mode. So I'd rather prefer not to change good keys to less capable commands. Just my 2 cents, Tassilo