From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnuvola.org>, Tekk <danny@parlementum.net>,
emacs devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: inclusion of emacs-w3m
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:26:45 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zk4all22.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3sja3qgfb.fsf@stories.gnus.org>
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
> Tekk <danny@parlementum.net> writes:
>
> > Do you see it in modern pages though? general consensus for years has
> > been to avoid using tables for handling the presentation structure.
>
> That must be a consensus amongst people who don't do much web design.
> :-)
That's true. But it's also a consensus among people who do so much
web design that they need to chase away customers with sky-high prices
that mortal managers (and their employers) can't afford to pay. So we
rarely see their products.
Unfortunately, both are far outnumbered by wage slaves in the middle
who never heard of, let alone use, the "float" property.
> Until then, <table> is where it's at.
I wish I could contest that. But even some of the designers I know
who do know better say that they are slaves to their design tools for
their bread and butter. Few clients are willing to pay for the time
it takes to do CSS Zen Garden work, even when it's provably more
usable. "Everybody I know uses IE at 1024x768 so who cares if it's
even readable in anything else?" :-(
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-28 6:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-08-11 10:43 inclusion of emacs-w3m Ivan Kanis
2012-09-04 15:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-09-04 18:55 ` Ivan Kanis
2012-09-04 20:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-09-05 14:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-09-05 21:44 ` Andrey Kotlarski
2012-09-05 22:25 ` Tim Cross
2012-09-11 10:38 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-09-11 16:59 ` chad
2012-09-11 17:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-09-11 17:24 ` chad
2012-09-11 19:33 ` Wojciech Meyer
2012-09-27 21:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-09-27 21:47 ` Tekk
2012-09-27 21:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-09-28 6:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2012-09-28 8:49 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-09-06 12:30 ` joakim
2012-12-21 11:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-09-05 13:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-09-06 13:27 ` Ivan Kanis
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-09-06 8:33 Stefan Schlee
2012-09-06 9:09 ` Tim Cross
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