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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Declaring a local dynamic variable?
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:18:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjqyyq5r.fsf@informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.3016.1380307597.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> writes:

> Let's memorize Stefan's remark as a starting-point to work-on:
>
> " But if d1 and d2 are in two separate packages that know
> nothing about each other but who happen to call each other through some
> potentially twisted sequence of calls, they will still interfere,
> because there's only (globally) one dynamic variable by that name."
>
> Would like to see such a twisted sequence and what makes it's different from a common bug.


With (setq lexical-binding nil).

Here is a case where it's a common bug:

;; --------

(defun p1-f ()
  (let ((print-circle t))
    (p2-g (function p1-h) '#1=(1 2 . #1#))))

(defun p1-h (data f)
  (print data)
  (funcall f))

;; --------

(defun p2-g (p d)
  (let ((print-circle nil))
    (funcall p '(1 2 3) (function p2-i))))

(defun p2-i (data)
  (print data))

;; --------



Here is a case where it's not a common bug:

;; --------

(defun p1-f ()
  (let ((be-careful t))
    (p2-g (function p1-h) '#1=(1 2 . #1#))))

(defun p1-h (data f)
  (if be-careful
    (let ((print-circle t)) (print data))
    (print data))
  (funcall f))

;; --------

(defun p2-g (p d)
  (let ((be-careful nil))
    (funcall p '(1 2 3) (function p2-i))))

(defun p2-i (data)
  (if be-careful
    (let ((print-circle t)) (print data))
    (print data)))

;; --------


The difference is that in the first case, there's a global definition
for print-circle, while in the second case, the packages expect
be-careful to be local special variables.   You could use my macros and
(declare (special be-careful)) in each package, and the bug would
persist.  

However, it would NOT occur in Common Lisp, where you'd have (in-package
"P1") and (in-package "P2") forms in front of each bodies of code,
because you'd have actually TWO special symbols: p1::be-careful and
p2::be-careful.




The conclusion is that in emacs lisp you have to prefix ALL the symbols!
Which clearly demonstrates a failure of the language.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__
http://www.informatimago.com/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-27 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-20  9:52 Declaring a local dynamic variable? Joost Kremers
2013-09-20 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-20 14:54   ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]   ` <mailman.2569.1379688787.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-20 15:10     ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-20 16:34       ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2578.1379694764.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-20 20:59         ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-21  5:49           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23 16:19           ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2622.1379742443.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-21 11:31             ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-21 13:32               ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2638.1379770251.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-22  3:49                 ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-23 16:26             ` Joost Kremers
2013-09-23 21:17               ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-23 22:14                 ` Joost Kremers
2013-09-24  0:03                   ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-25  8:58                     ` Joost Kremers
2013-09-22 17:11 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-23 16:17   ` Joost Kremers
2013-09-24 21:40   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-02 23:56   ` WJ
2013-11-03  1:42   ` WJ
     [not found] ` <mailman.2566.1379680283.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-23 16:11   ` Joost Kremers
2013-09-24 21:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-25  5:52       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-25  7:24         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-25  8:43       ` Joost Kremers
2013-09-25 12:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 16:54           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3886.1381596756.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 21:25             ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-13  8:12               ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-13 13:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 17:41                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-13 19:56                     ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2843.1380112007.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-25 15:46           ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-25 18:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-27  9:53               ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-27 13:15                 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2982.1380275511.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-27 14:31                 ` Barry Margolin
2013-09-27 18:48                   ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3016.1380307597.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-27 20:18                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2013-09-27 23:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-28  6:20                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-28  6:24                         ` W. Greenhouse
2013-09-28  6:50                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-28  7:21                             ` W. Greenhouse
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2873.1380135245.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-26  0:06               ` Barry Margolin

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