From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:45:34 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87zjqpnd48.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380909020 27574 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2013 17:50:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 04 19:50:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VS9WC-0004cn-R9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:50:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49053 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VS9WC-0008Sa-Dm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 13:50:24 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 63 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2VbL7mQL/tiTl4xuXMMLd97X5aY= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:201570 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93840 Archived-At: Luca Ferrari writes: >> Can I reasonably trust Emacs to be active and >> improving by 2018? > > I don't even trust myself having a job in 2018! I agree, it doesn't make sense to plan that far into the future. If you are productive and active *today*, be happy, chances are much better you'll be the same tomorrow, than if you sit idle, contemplating what will happen in the future. (Which, by the way, is a very difficult task.) The past is the past; there is no changing it. As for the future, it will come sooner or later, rest assured. Only the present is up for grabs. Remember, "Advance too fast, you catch up with death. But advance too slow, death catches up with *you*." > Quite frankly, I'm fine in being even the only one > using a tool Yes, 100% the correct attitude. Don't doubt yourself! > By the way, I don't see the problem here: have you > ever changed a car, a phone, a television or something > else? Changes happen, and in the unlucky case Emacs > will not be supported (to the extent you care), you > will simply change tool. Well, in general, true, but that won't happen. > Don't pretend to use a single tool for any job, use > the right one. And today Emacs is pretty much good > for a lot of job, but it does not mean it will be the > only one or the better one forever. Again, in general, I agree, but I just can't see some other tool for general computing will surpass Emacs. I use Emacs and zsh/tmux, with M/Alt-j and -l to switch between them. Unless I would switch direction in computing, and do games, GIS, etc. (which I hope won't happen), with as much assurance that I can muster without being a fanatic, I really can't-can't see any tool surpassing Emacs/zsh for my general purposes. I mean, is there work on such a tool being carried out, which I am unaware of? On the other hand, I am very much aware of the work being carried out on Emacs. And the zsh has an active community as well, though one would think the CLI has reached a very high level of maturity by now. Even more so than Emacs, not because Emacs isn't as "good", but because there is so much more to an editor than to a shell. -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573