From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <87zjnah2j7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <874n5ikap7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388935670 21410 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 15:27:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eric Raymond , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Richard Stallman , Emacs-Devel devel To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 16:27:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzpcG-0000Im-Mr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:27:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58290 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzpcF-0002Nq-JH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzpcD-0002Nl-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzpcC-00069q-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:49 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41815) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzpcC-00069m-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:48 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48988 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzpc4-0005FH-KO; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:40 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 38991E08A5; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:27:40 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:27:24 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167366 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> Lennart Borgman writes: >> > On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Eric S. Raymond >> wrote: >> > It is very different in one way. An editor is a tool you start >> > with. >> >> That's not what Eric's talking about. The point he is making, it >> seems to me, is that Emacs is not an editor, it is a text editing >> environment or toolkit. Similarly, git is not a VCS, it is an >> environment for developing a VCS. Not to the same extent that today's >> Emacs is a development environment for editors, but then Richard had >> several years of experience with using a editor language to create the >> Emacs Lisp and GNU Emacs that is the direct ancestor of today's Emacs. > > When you start with Emacs it is just an editor, nothing more. You mean, like an arranged marriage just starts with a spouse, nothing more? Women start with vi in the hope it will change, men with Emacs in the hope it will stay the same. Both are disappointed. -- David Kastrup