From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:32:39 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87zjlax7c8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87vbvzcjv9.fsf@engster.org> <87iorz18fy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbvyv08q.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhwuyycb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bnxquius.fsf@gnu.org> <874n3iyp5m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393687976 2768 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2014 15:32:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 15:32:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 01 16:33:06 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJluT-0001HP-0K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:33:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60076 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJluS-00016f-KB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 10:33:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJluK-00015R-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 10:33:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJluF-0004xX-85 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 10:32:56 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:36332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJluF-0004xR-1i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 10:32:51 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJluE-0001BV-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:32:50 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f41c58.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.28.88]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:32:50 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f41c58.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:32:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f41c58.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xfNtr3zBIihVjbfQm1oqErV76m4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169997 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: David Kastrup >>> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 12:04:04 +0100 >>> >>> > I actually don't understand why are we talking about compilers as the >>> > only viable infrastructure for the features being discussed. >>> >>> It's basically the UNIX philosophy to employ dedicated tools for the job >>> they have been written for. >> >> I'm not at all sure this philosophy is applicable to the issue at >> hand, or to complex interactive environments the kind of Emacs in >> general. We are a long way from the classic batch-mode Unix pipeline, >> where (AFAIK) this philosophy originated. > > [...] > > Well, I tried summarizing my view of the situation, and you summarized > yours. We arrive at different conclusions from what appears like the > same information. But I suppose we have a sufficient amount of > summaries to have people wanting to take some action see what may and > may not work to take them where. Regarding the dump-xref angle: it would appear that the respective building blocks are described here: and that the code is, in one form or the other, in the GCC repository already. -- David Kastrup