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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: RTF for emacs
Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 22:37:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zji5r3vj.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.2055.1401003008.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:

> Expressive, yes, but that should be fixed by
> developing and standardizing XML schemas for
> everything that is not well expressible in
> HTML/MathML/SVG.

HTML and the Internet is one chaotic hack. LaTeX is a
virtually bug-free, domain-specific programming
language to produce documents.

But it is not even HTML vs. LaTeX (or web vs. PDFs) as
those serve two totally different purposes. (Or should,
at least.)

> Looks the same, yes, and that’s a bad thing. The
> shape of content should adapt to the reader [both
> human who does the reading, and device which is
> used], not the other way round. On paper, I am ok
> with 10pt Times and can handle two columns on an A4
> page or two A5 pages side-by-side. On a desktop
> screen [at least until 4K displays become widely
> available and reasonably priced], I want a highly
> legible 12pt sans-serif, hinted for subpixel
> rendering, in a single column of adjustable width,
> and no subdivision into fixed-size pages. And don’t
> even start with me about tablets and
> smartphones. (And no, it’s not reasonable to expect
> that readers be able or willing to re-render your
> LaTeX article for their device capabilities and
> personal preferences.)

Yes, this is what I'm saying all along! I don't think
you should read PDFs on the monitor/projector, and
certainly not on "smart"phones - grep the web, you
should get web pages (in HTML), print the 600-page
manual or Ph.D. thesis with techno-science notation -
LaTeX and PDFs.

What you can do with HTML cannot at all compare to what
you can do with LaTeX, and if you could (which you
can't) it would be extremely uncertain if it would work
for half browsers - and some people actually need all
that stuff. (And I don't even like browsers, anyway.)

But I'm the first to say PDFs are used too much and for
information that do not benefit from it at all, and
then it is much better with ASCII or HTML.

-- 
underground experts united:
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-25 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-21  8:41 RTF for emacs James Freer
2014-05-21  8:54 ` Rasmus
     [not found] ` <mailman.1730.1400662362.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-23 23:49   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-24  0:21     ` Robert Thorpe
2014-05-24  0:58       ` Charles Philip Chan
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1969.1400893171.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-24  1:04         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-24  2:13           ` Charles Philip Chan
2014-05-24  5:33       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-05-24  7:56       ` Glyn Millington
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1983.1400918458.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-24 17:07         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1980.1400909455.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-24  7:54         ` Rusi
2014-05-24 12:33           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2014.1400950326.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-24 18:45             ` artist-mode/aa2u (was: Re: RTF for emacs) Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25  8:38               ` artist-mode/aa2u Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2057.1401006911.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-25 15:49                 ` artist-mode/aa2u Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25 17:28                   ` artist-mode/aa2u Rusi
2014-05-25 20:52                     ` artist-mode/aa2u Emanuel Berg
2014-05-24 18:22         ` RTF for emacs Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25  1:45           ` Grant Rettke
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2046.1400982346.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-25  2:22             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25  3:17               ` Rusi
2014-05-25  6:51                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25  5:27           ` Yuri Khan
2014-05-25 14:14             ` Grant Rettke
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2052.1400995678.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-25  6:40             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25  7:30               ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2055.1401003008.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-25 20:37                 ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2014-05-24 21:48     ` James Freer
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2035.1400968141.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-24 22:25       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.1964.1400890902.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-24  0:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25 19:24   ` Robert Thorpe
2014-05-25 20:38     ` James Freer
2014-05-26  1:15     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-05-26  1:49       ` Robert Thorpe
2014-05-26  3:41         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2103.1401075744.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-26 12:39           ` Rusi
2014-05-26 14:15             ` Rusi
2014-05-26 23:29           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2101.1401068969.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-26  2:41         ` Rusi
2014-05-26 23:28         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2081.1401050318.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-29  0:55       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-29  5:17         ` Rusi
2014-05-29 22:49           ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-29  9:28         ` James Freer
     [not found] <mailman.2070.1401045897.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-25 20:45 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-25 22:15   ` Robert Thorpe
2014-05-25 23:13     ` Allan Streib
2014-05-26 17:11       ` Sharon Kimble
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2140.1401124304.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-26 23:32         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-27  0:18         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-27  0:38         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-26  1:22     ` Charles Philip Chan
2014-05-26  1:40       ` Robert Thorpe
2014-05-26  1:47         ` Charles Philip Chan
     [not found] <mailman.2088.1401056163.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-26 23:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-27  1:14   ` Robert Thorpe
2014-05-27 15:35     ` regcl
     [not found] <mailman.2185.1401153598.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-27  3:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-27  4:16   ` Rusi
2014-05-27 17:39     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-05-29 21:55     ` Charles Philip Chan
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2481.1401400611.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-30  4:22       ` Rusi
2014-05-30  4:24         ` Rusi
2014-05-27 20:52   ` Robert Thorpe
     [not found] <mailman.1727.1400661716.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-21 12:38 ` Hans BKK
2014-05-29 10:57 ` Hans BKK
2014-05-29 11:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-05-29 14:08     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-05-29 21:43       ` Charles Philip Chan
2014-05-29 15:37     ` James Freer
2014-05-29 15:46       ` James Freer
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2414.1401378376.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-29 18:59         ` Joost Kremers
2014-05-29 21:03           ` James Freer
2014-05-29 21:25   ` Charles Philip Chan
2014-05-29 22:55   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-01 21:55     ` Joost Kremers
2014-06-10 23:50       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-12  2:15         ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]   ` <mailman.2476.1401399043.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-05-29 23:00     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-06  8:17     ` Hans BKK
2014-06-06 13:53       ` Charles Philip Chan

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