From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18051: 24.3.92; ls-lisp: Sorting; make ls-lisp-string-lessp a normal function? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:18:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87zjetvp2n.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87ha2f5gp8.fsf@web.de> <87wqb8mqqv.fsf@web.de> <83y4vo4fbr.fsf@gnu.org> <87silwmo8h.fsf@web.de> <83wqb84e7l.fsf@gnu.org> <87iomsgsqg.fsf@gmx.de> <83tx6c44x7.fsf@gnu.org> <87egxggigj.fsf@gmx.de> <877g28w19r.fsf@gmx.de> <83sikvcbqr.fsf@gnu.org> <83r40fc876.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqa7uf7w.fsf@gmx.de> <83oavjc5jj.fsf@gnu.org> <87y4uixleg.fsf@gmx.de> <83sikpc3cd.fsf@gnu.org> <87ha147gd5.fsf@gmx.de> <83a96vmv80.fsf@gnu.org> <87a96vuph7.fsf@gmx.de> <8361hjm7pr.fsf@gnu.org> <8738cnuev3.fsf@gmx.de> <83zjeukkf9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408897165 4899 80.91.229.3 (24 Aug 2014 16:19:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 18051@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 24 18:19:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaVh-0007Bc-H8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:19:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44703 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaVh-0005IS-0V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:19:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaVY-0005Hy-Ld for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:19:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaVS-0002sB-Oc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:19:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44141) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaVS-0002s7-L8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaVS-0005jS-2R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18051 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18051-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18051.140889711721996 (code B ref 18051); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18051) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2014 16:18:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaV2-0005ih-OT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:18:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:51710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaUz-0005iQ-Nq for 18051@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:18:34 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.44.27]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2cDB-1WWNUK0Xob-00sPvq; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:18:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83zjeukkf9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:54:18 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:DmUBqGE58GzVT17qRj19xlvVXj/VkyyVJVMCdHEx5oqphrNcr4y ouo2Kb3sw1m4t3atPJUT+WhGnvh6WWOyWSLJJKqzBsjLDrU2o2to+VIcDBe5qjUzivEPuD1 brMpfXS3uQ1ISqV5V9M6ymS/4vbGP0kmctCGi4kxw+avo2Ov/vGaHE+yf0FPROnnKjPUsvu hOOLfH+zSzHQLQBl46BeQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92640 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > Or have a new optional argument in string-lessp etc., or introduce a >> > new set of APIs which will accept a locale, and have string-lessp >> > etc. call them with that argument nil. >> >> An optional argument to string-lessp could be inconvenient. IMHO, the >> most important use-case of string-lessp is being a PREDICATE of >> sort. This does not support optional arguments. > > In those cases, we should add the same optional argument to the sort > function. That would be an option. But it would take decades, until all appearences of sort have been adapted. That's why I'm in favor of a global variable, which could be let-bounded. But I don't oppose strongly to your proposal. > I wonder what should this do if the new locale cannot be > instantiated/installed. As you wrote the code, it will silently use > the current locale, but I wonder if that's TRT. We could raise a warning. But if it is used in sort with a huge list of strings, the user would be flooded with those warnings. Maybe we could add a function, which would tell whether a given locale value would have effect. The user could check then. > Other than that, I think you should install this. Done. Next days I'm on the road; the work still missing (extending Elisp manual, writing ert tests, adapting ls-lisp) must be postponed to later this week, or the week after. Best regards, Michael.