From: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:26:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjbwf1b2.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvwq703u8s.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:59:37 -0500")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>>> Ah, that's where you're going. I kind of like the idea, but I don't
>>> like the idea of editing the content of packages in ~/.emacs.d/elpa
>>> (even if only for some "special" packages like "user-package").
>> You don't edit that. You edit the source somewhere else and then
>> automatically install it.
>> I'd suggest that the package could be constructed automatically every
>> time. If the necessary data is kept in a customize variable anyway it
>> doesn't matter about the package source.
>> It only matters that a package is a good way to load other packages.
>
> If you want your "user-packages" package to be versioned, or if other
> packages start refer to such meta-packages, then I can agree that it
> could make sense, but otherwise I get the sensation that
> - de-install the previous user-packages package.
> - make up a dummy .el file with the Package-Requires: header.
> - install this dummy .el package.
> is kind of contrived.
Unless you have such a "fake" package you cannot easily share your
packages with anyone else.
In fact, I don't think that a package representing just my package state
is particularly useful. I use this sort of package as a way of passing
round a curated list of packages to other users, in a team at work for
example.
With what you're proposing though I can see a "starter kit" like thing
happening.
"new users should install technomancy's user-packages because they're a
great starting point" people will say.
> Within package.el we could handle it is a special kind of package
> instead, but I'd rather try to avoid reifying it into an actual
> directory under ~/.emacs.d/elpa.
I don't see the point otherwise. It's the simplest thing to do. Users
don't spend a lot of time looking at this stuff.
Nic
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-12 23:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-07 13:45 package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07 14:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-07 19:50 ` joakim
2014-11-08 4:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10 14:55 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-10 17:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-10 20:27 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-10 21:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10 22:02 ` package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal) Nic Ferrier
2014-11-10 23:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 2:53 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-11 11:41 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 17:17 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 17:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 16:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:15 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 17:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 18:04 ` David Kastrup
2014-11-12 3:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-12 6:48 ` David Kastrup
2014-11-11 17:27 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 18:20 ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-12 16:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 17:00 ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-12 17:51 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 20:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 21:39 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 22:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 23:01 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 23:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-13 1:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-13 5:06 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-13 14:59 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-15 17:09 ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-15 18:20 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-16 3:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-13 8:18 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-11-13 10:53 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-13 14:54 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-14 11:04 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-14 22:56 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 18:15 ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-12 22:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-13 20:21 ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-12 13:05 ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-11 13:30 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-11 14:12 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:13 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 16:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 17:02 ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-12 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10 21:37 ` package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 1:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-11 2:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 2:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-11 3:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 12:44 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-11 13:31 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 11:31 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 16:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:10 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 19:36 ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-11 20:40 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 21:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 22:17 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 23:26 ` Nic Ferrier [this message]
2014-11-13 0:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07 20:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-08 4:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-08 23:18 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-09 3:17 ` Stefan Monnier
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-11-11 20:55 Robert Dallas Gray
2014-11-11 21:34 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-13 10:46 ` Phillip Lord
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