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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 13:34:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zj6yzkio.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87zj6zw0wy.fsf@debian.uxu

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Just as in the discussion (1+ data) vs. (+ 1 data) the
> context - which here is: history, custom, and
> experience - and not the properties of the things
> compared, is the answer. With computers it is ASCII.
> On university whiteboards anyone can draw whatever
> chars anyone likes. I'm not saying, "Stop doing that,
> use ASCII instead", am I? So the university people
> should perhaps stick to their whiteboards as well!

Absolutely!

This is to mean, there is still a lot of work to be done in computer
interfaces, notably for mathematical expression and manipulation, but
also for other data structures representation and manipulation by
non-programmers.



Also, one has to consider that even unicode is a premature space
optimization, being a fixed encoding of discretized forms, when the
domain obviously is evolving.  They're adding new versions of unicode
with new characters (now emojis!)   There are klingon unicode
characters, why not futurama I & II unicode characters?  There's a green
turtle, why not a blue beetle?  I'm not sure the unicode combinations
are complete either and that one could write any "ideogram" combining
existing characters.

After all, unicode is a CODE.


One could imagine in the future, computer systems that would perform the
encoding on a "document" basis, where transmission would involve
transmitting fonts and encoding along with the document structure.
(Notice that Postscript has this notion (and can have any other, since
it's Turing Complete), but I'm not sure it's retained in the more
restricted PDF).  The idea would be to have more meta-information
provided along with the document.  We could imagine that a letter to
your grandma could be stored along with a "dictionary map" of the
language you used, containing sufficient information so that an alien
(or a computer system 1000 years later) intercepting it would be able
to understand it easily.  We would need more sophisticated software, to
be able to deal intelligently with those documents. 


But this leads us very far from the alphabetic and ASCII idea.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to
keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-27 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-23 22:53 if vs. when vs. and: style question Marcin Borkowski
2015-03-24  0:15 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-24  0:34   ` Drew Adams
2015-03-24  0:22 ` Drew Adams
     [not found] ` <mailman.2648.1427156603.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-24  2:28   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-24  6:12     ` Rusi
2015-03-25  0:21       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-25  0:20         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25  2:44           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-25  2:51             ` Rusi
2015-03-25  7:12               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25 14:02                 ` Rusi
2015-03-25 14:40                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-25 14:52                   ` if vs. when vs. and: style question now Unicode Dan Espen
2015-03-25 15:24                     ` Rusi
2015-03-25 15:46                       ` Dan Espen
2015-03-25 16:02                         ` Rusi
2015-03-25 17:16                           ` Dan Espen
2015-03-28 17:55                           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-25 17:46                         ` Rusi
2015-03-25 15:22                   ` if vs. when vs. and: style question Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25 15:37                     ` Rusi
2015-03-29  1:17                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-25 15:45                     ` Rusi
2015-03-29  1:03                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-29  2:41                       ` Rusi
2015-03-29  3:11                         ` Rusi
2015-03-29 14:05                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-03-29 16:00                           ` Drew Adams
2015-03-30  1:55                             ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.2998.1427680540.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-30  2:25                               ` Rusi
2015-03-29 18:27                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-30  0:09                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-30  1:33                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-03-30  1:50                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-30  9:44                               ` tomas
2015-03-30 11:46                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.3016.1427716011.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-30 13:03                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-30 14:18                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-30 15:21                                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-03-30 15:31                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.3031.1427729518.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-30 17:15                                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.3030.1427728904.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-31  6:26                                         ` Reality and Proofs (was if vs. when vs. and: style question) Rusi
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.3010.1427708687.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-30 12:59                                 ` if vs. when vs. and: style question Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.2972.1427637975.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-30  1:55                           ` Rusi
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2749.1427294481.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-25 15:33                     ` Rusi
2015-03-25 15:36                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25 16:06                         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.2751.1427299594.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-25 16:19                           ` Rusi
2015-03-25 16:23                             ` Rusi
2015-03-29  1:24                             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-25 17:02                           ` Dan Espen
2015-03-25 18:23                             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.2758.1427307846.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-25 18:52                               ` Dan Espen
2015-03-26  9:47                                 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.2799.1427363259.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26 10:24                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-26 10:28                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-26 10:47                                       ` Unicode in source (Was Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question) Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.2802.1427366873.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26 15:54                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-26 17:07                                           ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                           ` <mailman.2824.1427389660.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26 17:16                                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-26 10:43                                     ` if vs. when vs. and: style question Gian Uberto Lauri
2015-03-26 13:02                                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-01 22:03                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-01 22:24                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-29 23:06                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-25 19:17                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25 20:31                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-03-25 22:21                                   ` Richard Wordingham
2015-03-25 23:21                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-03-25 23:52                                       ` Richard Wordingham
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.2782.1427325697.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26  3:02                                       ` Rusi
2015-03-26 10:01                                         ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.2800.1427364117.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26 13:00                                           ` Rusi
2015-03-26 13:28                                             ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.2809.1427376497.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26 15:51                                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-26 16:21                                                 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.2779.1427322080.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-01  2:31                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-01  3:03                                       ` Rusi
2015-04-01 14:29                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-01 14:57                                           ` Rusi
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.2771.1427315503.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-26  4:23                                   ` Rusi
2015-03-25 19:20                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-26 11:37                                 ` Alan Schmitt
2015-03-30  1:20                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-30  2:43                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-30  3:12                                     ` Rusi
2015-03-25 17:49                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25 18:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.2756.1427307016.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-25 21:27                               ` Rusi
2015-03-25 21:32                                 ` Rusi
2015-03-31 16:49                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-31 17:22                                     ` Rusi
2015-04-01 18:08                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-01 20:01                                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-27  3:54                           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-27  7:59                             ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2015-03-27  8:06                               ` tomas
2015-03-27  8:11                                 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2015-03-27  9:20                                   ` tomas
2015-03-27  9:31                                     ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.2860.1427443603.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-27 12:41                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-27 13:05                                   ` tomas
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.2875.1427461540.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-27 13:35                                     ` Rusi
2015-03-27 12:34                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2015-03-27  0:49                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-27  7:53                     ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.2856.1427442800.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-27  8:56                       ` Joost Kremers
2015-03-27 12:19                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-27 14:20                     ` Rusi
2015-03-25  2:35         ` Rusi
2015-03-27  0:31           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-27 21:27             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-27 22:54               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-28  1:16                 ` Rusi
2015-03-28 12:47                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-24 15:18     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-03-25  0:44       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-24  7:21 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found] ` <mailman.2659.1427181547.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-25  0:34   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.2645.1427151196.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-23 23:19 ` Emanuel Berg

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