From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:29:43 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87zj0s5yc8.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442014226 10375 80.91.229.3 (11 Sep 2015 23:30:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:30:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 01:30:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXlr-0005oD-6w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:30:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58904 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXlp-00039U-PO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:30:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Trace: individual.net WijyObAiWbuZDNIK0w01XgMNbrwe1icOJlBiRaXGwT8PQlFXCH Cancel-Lock: sha1:MjlmODRkNjU0YWM2ZGE1ODdmNGVhN2U3OTU2MzM1MGZlOWM2OTMwZg== sha1:n956kTsMdbQT/WCs3qO2tAp3lqo= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:214871 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107155 Archived-At: writes: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 02:57:06AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" >> writes: >> >> >> Why don't you do a Lisp OS with Lisp-only software? >> > >> > Time. Money. >> >> OK, what I meant was actually again why Lisp is so >> marginalized. Not only in "industry" (yuk, that is >> a stupid word) but also in the systems we use every >> day [...] > > See [1] for the historical perspective. Without Lisp machines > there'd be no Smalltalk (and most of the OO craze these days). No Smalltalk -> no lisa -> no Macintosh -> no MS-Windows and no NeXTSTEP (Apple would be dead by now) -> MacOSX -> no iPad/iPhone. No Java -> no Android. Imagine if the bitmap displays were only used on high end workstations for scientific data representation, and in low-end PC for games. Most PC would still work with text screens. > Emacs itself is an echo of those Lisp machines. Java owes a > lot to Lisp. Just go digging and you''ll find Lisp roots > everywhere. > > The fact is that Market Forces and the Invisible Hand always > chooses wisely the best altenative (excuse my snark, had a > bad day yesterday ;-) > > [1] > > Regards > -- tomás -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ “The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk