From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Even more Gnus material: we made the paper! Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:44:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87ziuhogi2.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87povgmihm.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oaaypu5v.wl-lists@groll.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456879516 15938 80.91.229.3 (2 Mar 2016 00:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 00:45:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 02 01:45:07 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aauuX-0005FV-KP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:45:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53360 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aauuW-0006Lo-TL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 19:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aauuL-0006LV-PC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 19:44:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aauuG-00015v-NA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 19:44:53 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:32917) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aauuG-00015T-G4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 19:44:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aauuE-0004yk-7H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:44:46 +0100 Original-Received: from nl106-137-54.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:44:46 +0100 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-54.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:44:46 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 51 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-54.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:MxEIW3vK06mpA739iRSaQ/ge7pU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:109383 Archived-At: Jonathan Groll writes: >> And of course, Emacs is just one of the wide >> variety of "terminal-" or "shell-based" tools with >> which users operate their computers and use the >> Internet without the need for a graphical >> interface. Emanuel goes on to say he considers >> himself "text-based" and has largely "bypassed the >> Web." Other similar accounts can be easily found >> online of users who prefer "the warm glow of >> a green screen full of text over the cold >> blockiness of a graphical interface." > > Like most of us, I do mostly have a text-based view > of life although, under X Emacs lets me view office > docs, JPEGS and PDFs and surfing with w3m under X is > hardly "text-only". I use X as well to watch documentaries (and "Survivor") and to see my gnuplots and the result of my LaTeX - and, sometimes it is useful to Google the name of a tool and see its picture before you go to the shop. These are just examples but they are good examples. The idea is not to never use graphics, but rather do that when there is reason to do so and when there is not, instead present a uniform text display *and* input interface. The "cold blockiness of a graphical interface" is a good way to put it. I also think there is the aspect of authenticity or at least the perception of what is real. When you look at a good looking webpage or something else graphical the first time, it looks great and you are impressed. But the nth time, no matter how good it looks, your eye is so trained it still doesn't look real. It looks artificial. And it is! And it gets worse because to an extent you know or can guess how: this is HTML, this is CSS, this is JavaScript, this is... It is too much. So I just want text - like this, if you don't mind switching to X: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/text-mail.png -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573