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From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: 23006@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:40:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zitsubm0.fsf@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvvb4hxhir.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:10:08 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:

>>>>> Can you explain *your* understanding of `non-essential', then?
>>>>> What does this var mean, for you?
>>>> For Tramp, it is an indication that file name completion is in
>>>> progress.
>>> Huh?  Why would it need such a variable for that, instead of getting
>>> this info from the fact that you're replying to
>>> `file-name-all-completions' (or `file-name-completion') rather than to
>>> some other request?
>> Because these aren't the only file name operations being called. You
>> have seen it in the backtraces I've shown earlier.
>
> But in that backtrace, it's OK for Tramp to open a new connection, since
> the user hit TAB.

Tramp does not know that the user hit TAB. It checks for `non-essential'.

>>> And why would it be called `non-essential' instead of `in-completion'?
>> I wanted to introduce `completion-only'.
>
> The crucial distinction to be made is not between "performing
> completion" and "not performing completion", but between "any normal
> operation, including completion in response to TAB" and "side-operations
> like on-the-fly completion à la icomplete or company or background data
> collection (like semantic might perform)".

I don't understand. Tramp doe not know where it has been called
from. It operates stateless. `non-essential' provides some context,
that's all.

>> As I understand the codebase of Emacs 25, no other use of
>> `non-essential' has appeared since then. Six years later.
>
> It should be bound in desktop.el when reloading a desktop, but instead
> desktop.el opted to use ad-hoc file-remote-p tests, IIUC.

I do not care desktop.el just now, it is the case we were discussing 6
years ago. As of today, there is no other use case for `non-essential'
in the codebase but the Tramp case.

>         Stefan

Best regards, Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-20 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-14  2:01 bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-14  2:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-14  7:34 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-15  3:31   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-15  8:43     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-15 11:09       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-17  0:42       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-17 19:43         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-17 19:44           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-17 19:54             ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-17 22:55               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-18  8:27                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-18 16:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-18 17:01                     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-18 17:53                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-18 20:21                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-18 22:41                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19  8:28                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-19 12:35                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 15:28                                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-19 20:04                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-20 15:08                                     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-20 15:23                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-20 15:46                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-20 16:10                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-20 20:40                                             ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2016-03-20 22:17                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-20 22:28                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 15:57                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-20 15:38                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-20 15:54                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-20 15:59                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 20:31                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-20 20:44                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 20:53                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-20 21:05                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 22:19                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 15:49                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-21 19:26                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22  9:27                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 12:02                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 12:05                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 13:19                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 15:46                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-21 15:49                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:03                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-21 16:13                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:25                                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-21 16:45                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:55                                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-21 18:10                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 18:36                                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-21 21:26                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-22  9:47                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 12:05                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 12:20                                                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 13:37                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 13:50                                                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 14:01                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24  1:00                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 19:23                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22  9:25                                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 12:02                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 12:08                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 13:18                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 13:35                                                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-22 13:38                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 13:50                                                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-24  0:54                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-24 13:15                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24 13:54                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-24 15:56                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-20 16:38                                           ` Drew Adams
2016-03-20 19:48                                             ` Drew Adams
2016-03-20 20:42                                               ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-18 22:51                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-17  0:50   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-17 19:49     ` Michael Albinus
2016-03-18 16:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-09 18:52 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-15 12:42 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-17 11:30   ` Dmitry Gutov

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