From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Docker Hub requires nonfree software to log in Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:31:25 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87zii7nvwi.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87o9yor53e.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1485873656 23339 195.159.176.226 (31 Jan 2017 14:40:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:40:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 31 15:40:52 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYZc3-0005so-S9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:40:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38663 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYZc9-00054M-C0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:40:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46607) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYZT9-0006ZB-DN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:31:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYZT4-0003ZQ-Vy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:31:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=55335 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYZT4-0003Z1-Or for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYZSw-0003QV-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:31:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:E6K5C5Wi9Vgsbc8ZKk/GJflhMPg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211793 Archived-At: On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:34:23 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote: >> I think you're confusing two things: Docker Hub as a web site (which >> requires nonfree software to use during *setup*) and Docker Hub as an >> image repository (which requires nothing but Docker itself, it's like a >> package repository with automated builds per package). They may talk to >> the same backend databases, but they are not the same thing. RS> This is the first I heard of the distinction. I think many of us assumed we were talking about the same thing. Sorry if I added to the confusion. RS> A concrete practical question: does it work to prepare and upload RS> images without running nonfree JS code? RS> If so, we can go ahead and upload images. Yes, correct. Just think of it as a package repository with automated builds. You can upload your own package, built locally. That's what we may do for the Guix images, if the Guix developers are interested. >> Building an alternative to Docker Hub is an interesting proposition, but >> not a blocker to this work. RS> That seems to be a misunderstanding -- I didn't propose we do that, RS> only that we distribute our Emacs images from some FSF server. The RS> image is just a file, right? Docker images are distributed as checksummed (and optionally signed) layers, so you don't have to download layers you already have locally. They can also be distributed as archives but that's a lot more expensive because all the layers have to be downloaded. So it's a little more complicated than just serving files. RS> So we can distribute it any way that we distribute other files, right? We can distribute archives as files, but that's suboptimal. We can also set up a FSF Docker repository that serves checksummed signed layers just like Docker Hub. It would be a nice Savannah add-on. But it's not a blocker to putting Emacs on Docker Hub, since the "official GNU Emacs Docker image" can live in multiple places, and the goal is to make it available to the users. Ted