From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using R-mail in Emacs Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:50:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87zhwko6uy.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86va7afpda.fsf@zoho.com> <83musmktmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2hxstkw.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <837ejplc7p.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhwlzct5.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0tgh6rx.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536911348 21538 195.159.176.226 (14 Sep 2018 07:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Loris Bennett" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 09:49:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0iqa-0005L5-A3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:49:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49469 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0isg-0006OU-R2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52580) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0isC-0006O2-BK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0is7-0001Ug-HF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:50:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]:53993) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0is7-0001Sw-5O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id b19-v6so1006841wme.3 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:50:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v0pDkFTMUSPLjxv15kFbNLiz+OLsSKEkJ4/RcjtBcNs=; b=lqu5vexPz1wnPMrhdxGOhX2Ld3uI8TM1607aLBuIrhW03P8SSofGzBlrnBVMHPKSe3 cEpCjk1dyF69cqyofWfcrJLuwoSxuBvShe9s/KUxNPPZlRO/F66oa0ySN7UqsDjV7hpp t+B1i70bhXV2DuFAXNoDxTwZ8YmLw3+lJS25OFUFLe+SZcUe+ZSigRIJyCKNFsTf1APY JEbz4ZhvRYHSR9LjNZAWGeoQp3Wc68lH2emFEUpHMM6L5y64+9DJm8z/dZtABmeA+sMF kLhyDMzIf5uGfzNyPifssUTt0aRiPFh4HipCyYRLZbnIx7DGTTPo9SnkDMR9cW4sB1k/ OuQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=v0pDkFTMUSPLjxv15kFbNLiz+OLsSKEkJ4/RcjtBcNs=; b=QYrpUQt7iH4A0JdkCTVaY6mNpj/wdlagwiwnqQRUXfLKatcpKfSDpyC+3kw/9/XQqg nccH5w3Y/erlqIrRbTJI/3lA84lYqlNUP4UMJJ0u4/FTiaLUNMKEFEYVXUBdghTyQsa0 8tclTbiR7CUdi9YOeY8R844iipoDge0qQB/ozh518lsucqZHwzrkT8UQfbDoO07xx5fz A9MG1DgYd0aRNg5gSva5uRc5ILrKuaWwR0LSXtv/JLY27pTSe99q5E7uKN9htlo1zoLG IZozsl7Zg2SVViLnP6m3t6FNEDZ3V2ZcoI5SQ4uXF/suIqlX+EL6KTbLub+RRm4n2gkK nZhA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51B4gpZsy8YBvsn4GyVr+p7sLlMBF28aLO9nfMMo5re9EGNvfsDI C7zHXrh7lP1bKznnbWX59PjwQS6wAnw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYIM98JbPyQd9uYhwcvNABRSWTUfDSLhi8i+5koIU1ifPRGwHNJP3j574Js59iRuZvXqmyVwg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:ee57:: with SMTP id m84-v6mr1217551wmh.9.1536911433533; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-ubuntu ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h206-v6sm1025309wmf.25.2018.09.14.00.50.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <87d0tgh6rx.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> (Loris Bennett's message of "Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:34:10 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32b X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117900 Archived-At: "Loris Bennett" writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Robert Pluim >>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:34:14 +0200 >>> >>> > You mean, Gnus can know when you have no more use of some email >>> > message and it can be discarded? How does it do that? >>> >>> It does (at least) time based auto-expiration. Probably score based as >>> well [1], plus you can mark messages as expirable/unexpirable. >> >> The oldest email in my INBOX is from 18 years ago, and I still need it >> from time to time. I guess time-based expiration is not for me. > > The default is for articles not to expire - you have to mark an email > explicitly as expirable for it to get deleted at some point. > Yes, although (if memory serves), marking the email as read marks it as expirable by default. As you can guess, I don=CA=BCt use it. > For many years I have used a less than a dozen folders with Gnus > splitting mechanism for sorting incoming mail, although lately I have > moved to server-side rules to allow me to read mail more selectively on > devices without Gnus. However, I feel the many-folder approach does > have some drawbacks. Does an email from my wife about school need to be > filed in "family" or "school"? Similar but more subtle situations occur > with my work mail. For this reason I find myself thinking that just one > or two folders with a good search mechanism would be a more flexible > solution. I've had a look at mu4e but the whole offline IMAP > construction puts me off a bit. I always thought it was necessary > because IMAP is fundamentally just slow, but searching through my mail > using an Outlook web client is, to my chagrin as a bit of a FOSS > die-hard, extremely fast. Does anyone know why that should be? You could use the gnus agent to keep a local copy of your email and search that (or offlineimap, and probably others) > Cheers, > > Loris > > PS: Eli, shouldn't that 18-year-old mail in your INBOX have been filed > away into one of your two dozen folders by now =F0=9F=98=89? Or is it may= be one of > those tricky corner-cases =F0=9F=98=85? Emacs development is a slow but inevitable process :-)