From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 23:20:51 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87zhwi5ufg.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh2ih0bp.fsf@fastmail.fm> <770f48a8-664a-40ae-8e03-19f6aad248b6@default> <20180910181615.GA4829@ACM> <874lev3bq4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20180912131602.GA5582@ACM> <87d0tihxzw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20180913174640.GB4019@ACM> <8736udkuit.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20180914104833.GA4103@ACM> <83k1nojgia.fsf@gnu.org> <7bed1f76-5bae-44cb-9b22-206b513043be@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537051175 4678 195.159.176.226 (15 Sep 2018 22:39:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:39:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: spacibba@aol.com, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, npostavs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Yuri Khan , acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii , phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 16 00:39:30 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1JDt-00015x-7X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 00:39:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56979 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1JFz-0005Ou-N4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:41:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45671) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1JD2-0003ne-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:38:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1JD0-0002fO-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p02-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5302::1]:17778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1JCy-0002dL-6j; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:38:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1537051111; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=ungJIAVzVSpNIPsycjOEaJqyFWSYhZ06WEtRTqZ5Wf8=; b=cSbJ6W6mVVXOODbOzOrEeuOiX6u1gH8FvRANP/gG2hzwuCYZtePX4Kh94Ck188kece iKPtmb0vHxvaAHBTQjhEqcP3YQLoHBivA3Bcwg5j2ULCrkRYZSWntWhbg6tF9aAEm2dP /Bwhcudvp+iEuL5KDJ5ecKtXboNA2tLqzD/byTRhPvyU8lrRBWdOtAZYiX/WUd5yxeuR c2gaT5UfEKazrN9/C/IOdH2a7vxNAdbCG8gQZVDFXJCtLr5LQioLOp0oimmFq8bVLNbc 1iMSa3yvpiChn9oMC/GyBjCXomN2FA17DbO4HBLLwSF9ZvoehPmyYImpmN0pbR3+x+OB zbSw== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.1 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id 20bdb7u8FMcC6D3 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Sun, 16 Sep 2018 00:38:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1g1JCe-0001Lb-DD; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 00:38:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7bed1f76-5bae-44cb-9b22-206b513043be@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT)") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5302::1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229830 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > [...] > I do think it would help to have a command that only > activates the region. Making `C-x C-x' do double duty is > truly one place where confusion can get sown. It should > be _able_ to do double duty, for convenience. But users > should also be able to only activate the region and only > swap point and mark - as separate operations. If you do that, please make it so that the mark can be made visible. One idea what it could look like would be a box around the character where it is, like the box you get where the point is when the frame is not active. I'd just use different colours. Something to make it visible ... Why aren't we able to see it?