From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an emacs-humanities mailing list Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 22:41:05 -0800 Message-ID: <87zh2wlnge.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <10e79eeb32b5d8f49453fe62f145172d@skeletons.cc> <87pn3vr605.fsf@red-bean.com> <837dq3ldvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2ijo3tr.fsf@red-bean.com> <87eekao7qq.fsf@red-bean.com> <2a314856-5655-4479-9bc4-d8f60cb14af3@default> <20201201085735.GC26076@tuxteam.de> <87h7p5pgmb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10900"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:a1QFfWBCNiB4GJkNZy/NCEMuhPA= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 02 07:47:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kkLun-0002hM-9m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 07:47:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38130 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkLum-0000Yk-9w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 01:47:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkLsv-0008Gr-2L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 01:45:05 -0500 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:47554 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkLst-0005Vg-Du for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 01:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kkLss-0000O6-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 07:45:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260171 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > The kinds of tips and > > information that academics will find useful might lend themselves well > > to a "knowledgebase" sort of presentation, and emacswiki could be ideal > > for that. We could have a separate area on the wiki, and at the top note > > that if you want to discuss any of the information in that section, > > write to emacs-help with such-and-such a prefix. > > It might be useful, but it might backfire at a deeper level. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the people > who set up emacswiki do not have a connection to the GNU Project, > and do not see a problem in advising people to use nonfree software. > More generally, they present nonfree software as acceptable > and not as something we should all shun. > > If that is so, directing people to emacswiki exacerbates the promotion > of that point of view. That would be a reason for us to make some > other choice. When we ask people to write material about using Emacs, > we would be more effective if we ask people to publish it via gnu.org. I wasn't aware of these issues with emacswiki, thank you for bringing that up. It wasn't so much that it had to be emacswiki, but that I think this effort might be best served by a semi-static knowledgebase, with a mailing list being a supplement to that.