From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41403: A more user-friendly version of GNU Emacs Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:42:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgsbtaqr.fsf@gnus.org> References: <1572340523.1158427.1589893725280.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1572340523.1158427.1589893725280@mail.yahoo.com> <87lflny20s.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7712"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Andrew Goh , 41403@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 17 18:54:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mRH8O-0001rR-RF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:54:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33606 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mRH8N-0006U1-ND for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:54:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40038) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mRGx4-0002L6-Jr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mRGx4-0003pq-A2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mRGx3-0002fy-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:43:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41403 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41403-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41403.163189693610214 (code B ref 41403); Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2021 16:42:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mRGwK-0002eg-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mRGwJ-0002eS-7S for 41403@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:42:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=x8mmYCH2sxzrRbU2JTBc8VnmT1ZZkp87yGtxhIF1tI0=; b=ljGMYA0vEkvuISxSSHRA8eINa8 rgdlPZL0XMhgqrFWQiksTo++e766e4QTPLa3iz7/PgW/q/TWrHOZ0U0QWlzWqAt1Ngy0uUOUu7pu6 b4XPUNOT2cSGixOR9yFFRla+D86QBrwLGmGKZdrpBdFplk+qMAl4fCNVAIFzzps9Km7w=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mRGw9-00022a-Sf; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:42:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 19 May 2020 16:02:00 -0700") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:214566 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: >> I guess, the key, M-x. The refcard assumes that people know what it >> (meta) is. It would probably good to explain it. > > Right, okay. If that's it, I agree that it should probably be added. > > If we do that, we might as well explain that "C-" stands for "Ctrl" and > "S-" stands for "Shift" while we're at it. (If there's enough space.) I don't think the refcard is the place to explain these keys -- the refcard is for quick lookup when you know the basics. The tutorial explains all this stuff, and that's the correct place, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no