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From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 17:16:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zgpbuktz.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tufjt8r1.fsf@gmail.com>

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Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Meanwhile, Emacs development continues and new features/capabilities
>>> continue to be added. In particular, a new feature is added which is
>>> extremely powerful and would be a huge benefit for Emacs org-mode users.
>>> However, there is a problem. In order to take advantage of this new
>>> feature, significant changes are required for the specification. This
>>> will result in implementations requiring considerable work in order to
>>> update them to the new specification.
>>
>> I disagree. We already need to care about back-compatibility of Org
>> syntax (think of org documents written years ago). Major changes to
>> syntax are very unlikely even without considering third-party software.
>> And, by the way, remember the existing "third party" Elisp packages
>> (think of Org roam, for example). We do not want to break them.
>>
>
> Backwards compatibility is important and changes should never be done
> lightly. However, that doesn't mean they don't occur (we have already
> had breaking changes, so old org files are likely to have issues
> already). Backwards compatibility can also become a burden and

I already spent several hours fixing old presentations, because of org
format changes, so I want to put in a strong vote for backwards
compatibility.

If you have 1400 slides of lectures, all carefully laid out to convey
information as best as possible, and you realize a few days before the
lecture when you want to update them that the layout is broken, because
of some minor change in interpretation of empty headlines in org-beamer
export so you have to go over each slide individually to make sure that
nothing is cut off and no layout is broken — and check the compile to
latex many times until the layout is working again — that is a huge
cost.

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein,
ohne es zu merken.
draketo.de

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-08 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-05  7:35 Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05  9:16 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-05 10:24   ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 11:08     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-05 11:54       ` Heinz Tuechler
2021-12-05 12:08       ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 13:32         ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05 13:52           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-12-05 22:20             ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05 14:30           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 22:39             ` Tim Cross
2021-12-08 13:47               ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-08 14:39                 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-08 16:16                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide [this message]
2021-12-08 17:07                     ` Russell Adams
2021-12-08 19:22                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-08 20:14                         ` Russell Adams
2021-12-08 21:50                           ` Tim Cross
2021-12-09  8:12                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-08 21:25                         ` Tim Cross
2021-12-09  8:07                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-09  8:36                             ` Timothy
2021-12-09  9:18                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-09 10:46                     ` Eric S Fraga
2021-12-09 15:21                       ` Russell Adams
2021-12-09 16:25                         ` Eric S Fraga
2021-12-09 21:15                           ` Samuel Wales
2021-12-09 23:27                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-10  2:42                           ` Tim Cross
2021-12-10  6:08                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-11 10:03                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-11 21:19                     ` Tim Cross
2021-12-06 19:41             ` Karl Voit
2021-12-05 18:59         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-05 23:24           ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06  5:57             ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06  6:02               ` Timothy
2021-12-06  7:24                 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 10:04                   ` Greg Minshall
2021-12-06 14:59                     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 17:59                       ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-06 18:25                         ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-12-06 18:42                           ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 18:47                             ` Timothy
2021-12-06 19:28                               ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 19:34                                 ` Timothy
2021-12-06 18:30                         ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 19:10                         ` Gerry Agbobada
2021-12-08 12:56                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-06 10:08         ` Greg Minshall
2021-12-06 19:45         ` Karl Voit
2021-12-07 11:08           ` Vincent Breton
2021-12-08 13:13             ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-08 13:30           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 13:06   ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05 14:55     ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 18:54 ` Timothy
2021-12-06 11:08 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-06 18:43 ` Russell Adams

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