From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:13:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87zgorvdc4.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <87sfulx86y.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10461"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Qn+P3UraEKB3zn5IbuYHIuslyM4= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 11:14:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0L6q-0002Zp-KT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:14:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48116 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0L6o-0005uF-WD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 05:14:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36508) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0L6H-0005Dq-BD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 05:13:29 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:47862) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0L6F-0006hk-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 05:13:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0L6D-0001qu-E8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:13:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282905 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > > Some of those old platforms are among the most important ones > > > because they allow operation without the Intel Management Engine > > > (or AMD's counterpart to that). > > > Aren't there modern machines without this? Machines that are much more > > performant, reliable and secure than those old ones, which usually are > > tied to an unsupported OS full of security defects? > > Not that I've heard of. Every so often I check whether there has been > progress. AFAIK there are multiple machines that offer more computing power (on terms of CPU, RAM, storage, etc) than the typical medium-range PC from 15 years ago. AFAIK a humble Raspberry Pi fits that description and it has a fraction of the propietary firmware most of those old PCs have. Then we have some vendors that specialize on providing PCs with as few binary blobs as possible, with IME and its equivalents disabled. I agree that it is difficult to acquire a new computer which is completely Free, but it is fairly easy to get a new computer which contains far less proprietary elements than the typical PC sold before IME became a thing. > > > Our principles say we must do our best to encourage people to use a > > > free compiler if that is at all possible. If the only C17 compiler > > > for a platform is nonfree, we must support using GCC instead. > > > Nobody suggested using anything else than GCC. > > Your general demand would, under some circumstances, imply that. I can't imagine those circunstances, since Gcc is the most ubiquitous compiler out there. > > I'm having the feeling that a good chunk of participants on this ml are > > unwittingly but firmly commited to confine Emacs to the same > > retro-computing world they live in. > > Your verbal aggression is very unkind, What you call verbal aggression I call speaking own's mind. It is not like as if I throwed that paragraph out of the blue, there is a lot of context. > and makes discussing with you unpleasant. > > We don't need your approval or agreement, so the aggression > won't win you anything. > > Please try to follow the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines, > https://gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html. Cooperating, > to whatever extent we have goals in common, will be much easier > if you do that. The very first guideline is: Please assume other participants are posting in good faith, even if you disagree with what they say.