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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284200 Archived-At: Hello Lars, On Tue 04 Jan 2022 at 04:04PM +01, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Anyway, I'm in favour of setup wizards... but I don't think there > should be only one. I think we should invite people to submit setup > wizards (like we do face themes), and then Emacs should list these (with > an explanation of what the use case for each wizard/configuration is). Nice, this sounds like it might alleviate Yuan's concerns about setup-wizard.el being too opinionated. > I also think it's high time that we default to not having the Customize > stuff in the init file, but put it in a different file. A few people have mentioned this but I don't understand why -- I recently dropped a really old setq for custom-file because I couldn't come up with any advantages to having it in a separate file. > And if we do that, I think we should discuss whether to change the > format. I think it'd make sense to move to a more code-based format > for the file. ... is it just that it would enable things like this? -- Sean Whitton