From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 02:08:19 +0100 Message-ID: <87zgm9cgak.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czj7gpyp.fsf@gmail.com> <5132354.M1jKaovQIP@galex-713.eu> <87wnhfufb0.fsf@zoho.eu> <87fso1ycg2.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23762"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:fLxQxdbTantDhObQ1QnIRcDvNjA= Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 02 04:21:47 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nPFYg-0005ur-B8 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2022 04:21:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50606 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nPFYe-0005iU-TD for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:21:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nPDTh-00050y-Fi for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:08:30 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:44502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nPDTf-0003dO-Na for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:08:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nPDTc-0007eh-4m for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2022 02:08:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:21:24 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:820 Archived-At: > So the next step is to complete the encirclement of the > locked-in armies of the East, while hitting Kiev hard with > artillery from the convoy to make then surrender. > > A very clever strategy ... I don't think Putin is crazy as has been suggested, I think he is a nationalist with the idea that Ukraine is a part of Russia, and he has been building up Russia's military strength step by step to the point he is certain they can take it, which also has been done step by step for many years now with this as the climax. I always thought Russia would win this and I still do, I was in denial and thought it could happen with minimal bloodshed in the way it happened with Crimea, now bloodshed is certainly bloody enough but if Ukrainians get sacked in the East and surrender, and Kiev surrenders as well maybe it won't reach the bloodiest level still if you will - for the record I still think it is _wrong_ 100% - just from a nationalist Russian perspective, doesn't it all makes sense even? They can take loosing the Baltic states, they don't really care about Central Asia, with the exception of Gruzia perhaps but they can take it as well, but they can NOT take loosing Belarus and Ukraine, and that's what we are seeing now? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal