From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Defaulting DBus support on macOS to 'off'? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287144 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:24:56 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Po Lu >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:21:25 +0800 >>=20 >> Robert Pluim writes: >>=20 >> > Hi, >> > >> > DBus support is currently autodetected, which means it can get ena= bled >> > on a macOS --with-ns build, where it=CA=BCs basically useless. Wou= ld there >> > be any objection to defaulting it to 'off' on macOS=20 >>=20 >> Yes. It can't possibly hurt to have D-Bus enabled for people who ha= ve >> the development files installed, especially since it can work on mac= OS. Eli> Robert didn't suggest to delete the DBus support on macOS, he Eli> suggested to default it to OFF. Exactly. We can discuss if that should be 'off in configure', or 'built if found, but off in Emacs' (I=CA=BCd prefer the former). Eli> If having it default to ON annoys many users, I think it's a Eli> reasonable suggestion. I dislike programs that log messages to my terminal when there=CA=BCs nothing really wrong: $ src/emacs dbus[2171]: Dynamic session lookup supported but failed: launchd did not provide a socket path, verify that org.freedesktop.dbus-session.plist is loaded! although to be fair I think this message comes from libdbus, not from Emacs. Robert --=20