From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PGTK-related misconceptions Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:18:22 -0700 Message-ID: <87zgkjvujl.fsf@athena.silentflame.com> References: <87lew7qdtj.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29163"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 18 07:20:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ngJon-0007LJ-0Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 07:20:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47632 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngJol-00089d-Is for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:20:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngJmM-0006qP-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:18:26 -0400 Original-Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:60081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngJmK-0002aC-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C3E5C00AB; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:18:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=spwhitton.name; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1650259103; x=1650345503; bh=/l YMPv7G3YdEj91c3BU/mp3rHx828FpP015sWMCFkTw=; b=heCfDiPAAplJ3BLaDz fPnFAoRLbK2EdU82FywDJFjvkIzA04PBzCOiW0dtQJrsWCPPC9WbiRsxIVyKHSZV kkjHDEQNhX/cYNJBkdzGsEuU+meGIMi5hCnVmHoszhNnyvLngUty77yChTVmlNlr lMMVm/UvWt68tc/kYY2tSB67hTFcSsEH/2zbX5wUSUCl/swqjzbuQB4gX+WeWYrf tRFLbBNUrOESzBkGTyo0vSG/XSxeU9aKWe0BTAqEyticr1FYQW5UMfclSywzVztk r7jDgXYL6zidoTsAfR+pjUc0O1yambWGTaOG6lSqQ2HSyLXbiYwitjDn/K7pqb4q ciNA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1650259103; x= 1650345503; bh=/lYMPv7G3YdEj91c3BU/mp3rHx828FpP015sWMCFkTw=; b=e jECBTx3QSgN2EJZjvSoI85o4WWTh3H9zPgWCiIPbVGLedfBaiaYOt7YEU9YNZZsA ja44SazTLPnHy8ilCX/Qv/ocOcwrcWTbJtCvNayZ79YKokWaW3kRNLIngN8BmdIp 7FdXoBl5kWQ6wY6pRi2r0IF957Cr4AYIK896eA7IMMdm0FTEZjCAT7/M5cwqo3a0 0chu5PlH93n1fdEvmZ5Yble2O5xioEAVugg7CbsOn6k3/Vk0mwKJpFyLjfF9tBDF LBc/CkKAzmocLuoQOsz4tx1CxpRlKVZV9K66D4lOkN072XIiAFUeuRVPzmF2YBw0 X3Ku/o8EP/vIssACpXfEA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrvddttddgkeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffgffkfggtgesthdttd dttdertdenucfhrhhomhepufgvrghnucghhhhithhtohhnuceoshhpfihhihhtthhonhes shhpfihhihhtthhonhdrnhgrmhgvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelgeeggfdvieejvd fhudfggeetgfekkeeuieeljeejhedugeegfeetgefhueffkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhi iigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehsphifhhhithhtohhnsehsphifhh hithhtohhnrdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by athena.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1C3F51B76D4; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 05:18:22 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87lew7qdtj.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.26; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=out2-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288595 Archived-At: Hello, On Fri 15 Apr 2022 at 10:29am +08, Po Lu wrote: > People using X should _never_ use PGTK. The regular X build does a much > better job at supporting that than PGTK ever will. The discussion of pgtk in INSTALL doesn't say this. If I was packaging Emacs for a distro I think I could be misled into thinking I should replace my gtk package with pgtk. But in fact I should supply both. Here is a very simple suggested addition: > diff --git a/INSTALL b/INSTALL > index b1e3c72c4b..6cbd74ed55 100644 > --- a/INSTALL > +++ b/INSTALL > @@ -253,6 +253,10 @@ to force GTK+ to run under Broadway, start Emacs like this: > > (where '...' denotes any further options you may want to pass to Emacs). > > +If you use X exclusively, do not use the PGTK port. There are a > +number of respects in which the regular --with-x-toolkit=gtk build > +works better. > + > The GNUstep build also supports the Wayland window system. If that is > what you want, see nextstep/INSTALL. -- Sean Whitton